Britain's youngest trans child

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4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

@Rhannion

It’s absolutely ridiculous , poor child. I saw that interview and my mum said remember when ds wanted to be a fire engine, not a fire man at that age, then he wanted to be a horse. Should we have painted him red or had horse shoes made?

Yes, obviously. You didn't validate his feelings and that's a high crime. You should have asked him every day whether he was horse, human or centaur and validated his equine feelings. Did I mention you needed to validate him?

Apparently their child is an “intelligent boy who knows what these things means.”

I caught on that too SuperShe It felt like a total abdication of parental responsibility. I've got a son who can be very impulsive and headstrong and the idea that the parents are letting small children make all the big decisions opens the child up to so much harm.

And asking a 4 year old every day if they think they're a boy or a girl!

I remember when I was about that age that I made myself a penis out of pink tissue paper and a rubber band 😂😂😂 My best friends were both boys and I thought I needed to be like them. I’m pretty sure this is a really normal developmental stage?

It always amazes me how advanced the reported language of these 2,3 or 4 year olds is.

Such bad parenting @Rhannion. Tut tut. You should’ve contacted your local stables and gotten advice on how to house and look after a horse. And yes yes to those horse shoes. 😆 You’ve failed him by failing to validate him.

The boy wanted to be a dog when he was little. In the parlance of such kids...

“Mother dearest - it is my greatest wish, my dream as it were - to become, physically, an Alsatian (or German shepherd in common parlance). I say ‘physically’ because I have come to believe - after much soul searching, mediation and contemplation - that I am indeed, in spirit and essence - an Alsatian. I have taken the Liberty of making an appointment for you and myself at the Tavistock clinic. I believe we will find what I am looking for on these premises. Please be assured that this is not a fad - like when I was certain that I was Tinky Winky - but I was a mere 18 months then, and not yet fully mature to make such decisions. Please burn my outfit and do not serve me custard any more.

Now. Pedigree Chum for tea please. And a bowl of water freshly drawn from the downstairs lavatory...”

How on earth does the child come back from this? Would the parents accept it if the child wanted to be a girl again? Would the child be able to verbalise this? Would the parents ever think and go "wrong decision"?

The world has been told about this child, I can't see this ever coming out good whatever happens.

@TheWeeDonkey

Apparently their child is an “intelligent boy who knows what these things means.”

I caught on that too SuperShe It felt like a total abdication of parental responsibility. I've got a son who can be very impulsive and headstrong and the idea that the parents are letting small children make all the big decisions opens the child up to so much harm.

Indeed @TheWeeDonkey Parents have a responsibility to safeguard and provide boundaries to their children. But in this instance, rather than allowing their child to be a child who wants to.... (I don’t know what it is their child did that was deemed to be a sure fire sign their child is transgender as they failed to provide a single behaviour), they have psychologically harassed him until he has been conditioned to say he is a boy. Shocking behaviour from the “parents”

At the age stormy currently is, I cant understand why he needs to be identifying as a specific gender, or quizzed on it daily. I'm pretty sure if theyd just let "him" wear what he wanted, play with what he wanted and have a short hair cut most people wouldnt have batted an eyelid. Even if someone said "stormy, that's a nice name, is it a girls name or a boys name?" They could have said hed like it to be a boys name.
I've seen kids sometimes (probably age 10 and under) and not been 100% sure if that's a girl or boy, but most of the time I dont need to know, and it's fairly irrelevant to what they are doing (generally playing!)

And asking a 4 year old every day if they think they're a boy or a girl!

What answer did they think they were going to get when the options were comfy joggers and t shirts and stereotypical girls clothes which are usually frilly itchy or impractical.

I've just watched that YouTube clip and honestly what a big deal they made out of the hair cut. Turning up late fir one then telling the other all about how their kid was transgender. I'm.sure all hair dressers right now are having to deal with situations that make them grimace some what. Bad roots and tangled messes and jobs which on sight will take longer than the appointment time. Hair dressers are often a but wary of drastic hair cuts aren't they ? Cos the parent has a go when the schools kick off about it as if the hair dresser should be aware if every dress code at every school.

Again another example of how there's just so much paranoia surrounding these situations. Everything's about them and their transgender child. Nothing to do with a natural caution that all hair dressers have when doing very drastic hair cuts ( haven't we all been asked if we were sure or advised that a particular style or colour wouldn't work with our hair type? )

crollingLeaves

I recently asked after an acquaintance’s four year old son and was told quite seriously, “ Oh, X has transitioned” and how good his primary school (local, popular state funded) was being about it.“

Are you in the UK?

“DenisetheMenace
ScrollingLeaves

I recently asked after an acquaintance’s four year old son and was told quite seriously, “ Oh, X has transitioned” and how good his primary school (local, popular state funded) was being about it.“

Are you in the UK?“

Yes this was the U.K.

It is irritating the presenter used the trans gender ideological language, “assigned at birth” rather than simply born a girl.

ScrollingLeaves

“Yes this was the U.K.”

Good grief, I’m getting too old for now

I caught up with this on twitter last night, glad to see they are being ratioed to kingdom come. But then that's probably why the program gave them air time because they knew it would attract a lot of comments.

On one hand this is blinding sunlight, on the other this feels like rewarding those idiots with publicity on the telly when the only thing they should be getting is a visit from social services.

Affirming that poor girl as a boy because she doesn't like sparkly princess stuff is abusive. I took DD (3) shopping last week, she saw some Iron Man overnight nappies and said "those are for boys". I told her no, they are for girls too, girls like Iron Man, mummy's a girl and I like Iron Man (big MCU fan), do you want Iron Man? She did, so we got them.

I didn't immediately affirm her as a boy and contact the press. What a dangerous pile of tosh

@AfternoonToffee

How on earth does the child come back from this? Would the parents accept it if the child wanted to be a girl again? Would the child be able to verbalise this? Would the parents ever think and go "wrong decision"?

The world has been told about this child, I can't see this ever coming out good whatever happens.

This is my worry. Putting the child in such a rigid box is setting them up for that pathway. In less than 2 years the child has gone from expressing interest in boys clothes / toys etc to now being labelled as transgender. There's no way back, they've changed the child name and exposed them to the entire world as a transgender child. Heck it's difficult enough for an adult to change their name if they go through a divorce, what chance does a child have of telling everyone if they decide the phase of being a boy is over.

This is my worry. Putting the child in such a rigid box is setting them up for that pathway

I also have a massive worry that when you make everyone else go along with it, we'll eventually the time will come that someone can't or won't. That time will likely be when the child is probably at a very vulnerable state , sick or hurt and drs and nurses will need to treat them.according to their sex.

So you then not only have someone who has to play "bad cop" you are having to do it at a time where they are not in the best situation anyway. Surely just male a bad situation even worse.

This doesn't make sense to me, the parents say they watchfully waited, but they couldn't have waited long bearing in mind how young the child is. And they say that the child can change their mind later on, yet they've already referred them to the tavi.

I'm not sure what the conclusion was re parental consent and puberty blockers, I know this was being touted as a loophole. But if this was to occur then the decision is already made for them, as not many children tend to go back at the puberty blocker stage. Poor kid must be so confused already with the questions about whether she's a boy or a girl. And kids always want to please their parents with the right answer. Is there space for the child to move back from this place? With the media attention the parents have drawn to it, I somehow doubt it.

These are adult concepts being dumped on the shoulders of a young child. It's a clear safeguarding issue. Why can't people just let kids be kids rather than dragging them into all of this adult drama.

I have had one little success today.

A friend posted a link on FB to a BBC article on the consultation on conversion therapy. (www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57059459) I chickened out of replying to the post (she has lots of friends and I didn't want to start anything that would be awkward for her on her social media) Anyway, I messaged her privately with lots of information and included some links (TransgenderTrend and Billboardchris.com - he has some good resources that I hadn't seen) We've had a chat and she thought the link to the article on TT about the big rise in referral rates of girls to the Tavi was excellent and it's given her plenty to think about. She just hadn't appreciated what the conversion therapy ban would mean in terms of gender dysphoria and agreed it was a much more complicated issue than she had previously thought.

oops sorry wrong post

That's great, Brioche well done

@Ereshkigalangcleg

That's great, Brioche well done

Thanks Ereshkigalangcleg - that means a lot

I sent a message to another good friend recently (she's American) with a link to an op-Ed by a liberal democrat who is concerned with the way children are being convinced that they are the opposite gender and are being encouraged to transition. Didn't hear anything back.

My DS couldnt say his own name age 4, let alone reason on any given day whether he was a boy, girl or non binary!

An open letter to Dr Polly Carmichael from a former GIDS clinician
Kirsty Entwistle

Jul 18, 2019
(extract)
I think it is a problem that GIDS clinicians are making decisions that will have a major impact on children and young people’s bodies and on their lives, potentially the rest of their lives, without a robust evidence base. GIDS clinicians tell children and families that puberty blockers/hormone blocks are “fully reversible” but the reality is no one knows what the impacts are on children’s brains so how is it possible to make this claim? It is also a problem that GIDS clinicians are afraid of raising their concerns for fear of being labelled transphobic by colleagues. (continues)

The above meeting was called in response to a disagreement that I had with X over the two cases that we had seen together. As this is an open letter I cannot go into the details of my disagreements with X over these cases but in both cases I felt that X was too quick to recommend the medical pathway and I did not believe there was a current clinical need for puberty blockers in either case.
It was also surreal at the time to be arguing with X that a child’s early interest in [a certain children’s toy] should have no bearing on whether they are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. (continues)

I am also concerned to see that Mermaids continues to receive financial support and endorsements from high profile people whilst not being subjected to any proper scrutiny of its practice. I believe that it is the duty of GIDS to disclose their concerns about Mermaids as GIDS is one, if not the only place, where information about what goes on at Mermaids is known via parent reports. I also think that it is unethical that GIDS associates with Mermaids when they have associated with the Webberleys (from their website it looks as though they no longer do so). (continues)

I also strongly believe that it is GIDS duty to make it known that it is highly unlikely that any child presenting there will be told that they are not transgender. One of my biggest ethical dilemmas whilst working at GIDS was that there were parents who brought their child to GIDS anticipating that we would confirm that the child was not transgender but we are not able to tell parents that actually there is some unspoken rule that means GIDS clinicians do not tell families, “your child is not transgender”. (continues)

medium.com/@kirstyentwistle/an-open-letter-to-dr-polly-carmichael-from-a-former-gids-clinician-53c541276b8d