Caitlyn Jenner OPPOSES trans girls competing in girls sport

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9533463/Caitlyn-Jenner-says-OPPOSES-trans-girls-competing-girls-sport.html

This is who you choose to align with. You're being used and played as fools. It would be funny if it weren't so destructive and so very, very sad.

I don't think males should be competing in female categories in sports, neither does Caitlyn Jenner. So fucking what?

Or am I supposed to change my view and say 'yeah let's let any male who feels like it compete in women's sports and if that affects women then that's tough shit for them' just so that I'm not 'aligned' with CJ? Cos I'm not going to do that.

If they don’t believe in science and biology then I think the nhs should stop funding hormone stuff, gender surgery etc. None of it matters in that case.

I can only hope we look back on this crazy time and laugh.

@TheWeeDonkey

See this is the thing, when it comes to sport there is absolutely no difference between male and female bodies, but when it comes to affirmation surgery gender reassignment surgery and the emphasis on 'passing' is essential to life.

So which is it?

Yes, good point!

I can only hope we look back on this crazy time and laugh.

I was pondering the other day the number of phds and articles that will be written on it and how we'll dissect how we managed to sleepwalk into prioritising an overtly sexist, harmful and illogical ideology over facts and science.

Of course some of us are doing that now but we're just sad and laughable...

This is who you choose to align with. You're being used and played as fools. It would be funny if it weren't so destructive and so very, very sad.

The people who feature in this link all fervently support the inclusion of transwomen in female safe spaces etc. Would you align yourself with them?*

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-pattern-is-emerging

@WindyPudding

I can only hope we look back on this crazy time and laugh.

I was pondering the other day the number of phds and articles that will be written on it and how we'll dissect how we managed to sleepwalk into prioritising an overtly sexist, harmful and illogical ideology over facts and science.

Of course some of us are doing that now but we're just sad and laughable...

I only hope we're not slap bang in the middle of another (currently unimaginable) shitshow as we shake our heads in bewilderment at this one.

This is who you choose to align with.

Well if that's how this works then this is who you choose to align with 🤷‍♀️

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

@Wroxie

Jenner is a self-interested right-wing celebrebuplican who will say exactly what her focus group says she needs to say to appeal to the worst, most hateful, and most ignorant voters in the United States. She supports policies that are anti-woman (trans or not), anti-family, and racist. She's a fucking fascist just like the rest of her party.

This is who you choose to align with. You're being used and played as fools. It would be funny if it weren't so destructive and so very, very sad.

And you're aligning with people who now don't even want transwomen to have to make any alterations to their bodies to be able to participate in female sports. Female sports could be completely eliminated.

And you wonder why females are upset about this?

It’s so obvious she’s right.

If a very large majority of a population think that biology is real, then fucking well obviously some of them are going to be right wing, some will be in the centre ground, and some will be left leaning.

Honestly it's painful engaging with some of these unhinged arguments sometimes. I've got a post vaccine headache and I'm not my usual delightful self.

@BrizzleGirl

Can’t imagine that to be honest .

I only hope we're not slap bang in the middle of another (currently unimaginable) shitshow as we shake our heads in bewilderment at this one.

I do have some optimism that the horror of what's going on is leading to increased awareness of misogyny and of the importance of sex-based rights, science and facts.

We've been here before - the pendulums of puritanism-vs-freedom of thought, science-vs-ideology, feminism-vs-misogyny swing to and fro.

I believe the sky is often blue. I hearby align with everyone else who thinks the sky is sometimes blue.

Who decides which thoughts we should follow?

(I don't mean been here before wrt trans ideology specifically, but harmful ideology in general.)

Honestly it's painful engaging with some of these unhinged arguments sometimes. I've got a post vaccine headache and I'm not my usual delightful self.

Daft "gotcha!"-type sophistries are all you've got when you don't have a rational argument or evidence.

In order not to drive normally left leaning women into the arms of the terrible no-good right wingers, the left might try the astonishing tactic of not being unh8nged from reality over identity politics.

I’d be all over that!

There is a video somewhere on YouTube of 3 top female gymnasts watching male gymnasts “have a go” at the female only disciplines, the women were shocked that men could perform in minutes or after 1 or 2 goes skills which had taken the women a lifetime of training.

Gymnastics definitely needs to separated by sex.

Also just because the truth hurts we cannot ignore it. I’m sad and hurt because I’m not a millionaire. Does that mean I can demand access to the best hotels and restaurants in the world? Where will this madness end?

Gender is a different thing to sex. Biology and sex cannot be changed. That is fact. Science is the truth.

Men and trans women do not know what it feels like to give birth, have period pains so bad it makes you cry and you are prescribed iron, have hormonal bloating that makes you not want to go for a run today. Do they know what the menopause feels like? Or what it feels like to go for a smear test?

Do they know what it’s like to have a period cause an injury?
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/48243310.amp

Or how it feels to have an abortion www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/sanya-richards-ross-abortions-female-athletes-olympic-champion-track-field-a7787546.html%3famp

No... they don’t... because biology.

This is who you choose to align with.

What happened to #acceptancewithoutexception

Transwomen good. Caitlyn Jenner baaaaaad

This is who you choose to align with. You're being used and played as fools. It would be funny if it weren't so destructive and so very, very sad*.

I think this statement is incredibly revealing and misogynistic. Don't patronise the women of FWR. Instead you could spend a bit of time using your brain to understand the arguments and then dissect them, rather than screaming 'you're all a bunch of fascists' just like every other poster that comes on here to re-educate women. It's inane.

This is who you choose to align with.

Given that many women here have been campaigning for a long time for a return to single sex protections for girls and women's sport, it is more accurate to state that Jenner is finally aligning with us.

Wiki
"Jenner played college football for the Graceland Yellowjackets before incurring a knee injury that required surgery. Convinced by Olympic decathlete Jack Parker's coach, L. D. Weldon, to try the decathlon, Jenner had a six-year decathlon career, culminating in winning the men's decathlon event at the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal, setting a third successive world record and gaining fame as "an all-American hero". Given the unofficial title of "world's greatest athlete", Jenner established a career in television, film, writing, auto racing, business, and as a Playgirl cover model.

Jenner has six children with three successive wives—Chrystie Crownover, Linda Thompson, and Kris Jenner—and has since 2007 appeared on the reality television series Keeping Up with the Kardashians with Kris, their daughters Kendall and Kylie Jenner, and Kris's other children Kourtney, Kim, Khloé, and Rob Kardashian."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner

@Wroxie

Jenner is a self-interested right-wing celebrebuplican who will say exactly what her focus group says she needs to say to appeal to the worst, most hateful, and most ignorant voters in the United States. She supports policies that are anti-woman (trans or not), anti-family, and racist. She's a fucking fascist just like the rest of her party.

This is who you choose to align with. You're being used and played as fools. It would be funny if it weren't so destructive and so very, very sad.

Oh look what just came down in the last shower

This is who you choose to align with. You're being used and played as fools. It would be funny if it weren't so destructive and so very, very sad.

I always laugh when I see statements like this.

Have you looked at those who disagree with Jenner? I mean, really looked. You are obviously turning a very blind eye to so much. But do crack on, it shows that you have no other argument except that ignorant statement.

Even the wokest of my friends will not accept that my “average trans woman” ex was the same as another woman hitting me. He’s been openly ridiculed and actually threatened for it so not sure how it’s different if it’s an organised competition

I am not surprised about this. Maybe it is politically self serving given the run or office, but whatever you say, I've never had the impression that Jenner is shy about airing real political views, even when they are controversial. Or is unaware that there are significant physical differences between males and females, whatever the gender business is really about.