Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

I can't remember what the redacted bit said.

Negative generalisation about the trans community, stating that there are exceptions.

@CorvusPurpureus

IME the 'monitoring' always ramps up several notches when the 'monitors' feel the control slipping in real life.

I reckon they're antsy over Maya atm. Oh & the LGBA.

Plus when a thread like this exists that pours sunlight on the muddled thinking of those particular posters, there’s often an attempt to get the thread so riddled with deletions MNHQ delete it all. I imagine even our some most esteemed monitors would wish certain posters would just stop posting their rubbish.

As Gina Carano said, you need better representation 👋.

@HamsterV2

Thank you

the real star of this thread

And it's even rum-and-raisin on close inspection.

That's the level of attention to detail I'm here for.

Shame about the bollocks though.

Never mind the bollocks, it's the rum-and-raisin unicorn.

@Helleofabore

*lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/*

Just reading these is distressing enough and I am not a lesbian. I cannot imagine how these people continue to be supported by the LGBT community.

Maybe Shizuku would like to address these accounts posted by purgatory and the content of the lesbian-rights website....

And maybe, in light of this being Lesbian Visibility Week, Shizuku could also tell us exactly what the trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture that is continuing to build.

After all, if you are wearing the badges, it must mean that you are active in making positive changes for those on the badge. If you tell us how you are going about making these changes, maybe we can support you if they are, actually, positive changes for lesbians.

So, what are you and the activist community doing to address the abuse we seen in these links, and to be honest, I see every day on social media?

I think I am not the only one who would be very happy to join in if it helps those females* who are same sex attracted.

• (And by female, I mean those with a body formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether they produce those large gametes or not, or ever have.) And isn't it great that in Lesbian visibility week I need to add this definition to my posts because the words lack meaning otherwise. Or though, the law has clear meaning such as up thread.

Ok.. This is the last page.

We have heard from Hamster (thank you) that the answer would seem to be 'nothing' is being done to change this abusive culture as evidenced in Purgatory's links.

Perhaps OP will come back and provide us with the activities so we can support lesbians in their week to fight abuse coming from certain sectors.

Because I am not sure wearing a badge is going to enact the changes that are clearly needed. But, I guess I am biased in that I believe in actual actions that get results, and this is MN and there are MANY people on this board who, luckily, believe in focusing their efforts to attain results.

I look forward to more answers so we can start.

Female socialisation is one hell of a drug. On a thread about lesbian visibility the last few pages have been entirely devoted to singing the praises of one (admittedly, apparently v cool) transwoman. It reminds me of what happened when Debbie Hatton first appeared on here. And also of why we desperately need women-only spaces, since as soon as a man appears he will get centred. But even more than that, we need lesbian-only spaces, since lesbians are more likely not to feel the same impulse to centre men and will tend to take women seriously and centre them as a default position. That’s perhaps what I miss most about the disappeared lesbian spaces.

@CorvusPurpureus

IME the 'monitoring' always ramps up several notches when the 'monitors' feel the control slipping in real life.

I reckon they're antsy over Maya atm. Oh & the LGBA.

Yes I think you're right. Things also seem to get more goady on here too.

@HamsterV2

That was a wonderful post. I do feel for you being painted as something you're not, as a result of the tactics of the vocal 'campaigners'.
I have not commented on this thread, partly because I thought it would go poof, partly because it started off circular and so repetitiveness would be inevitable and partly because I am trying to apply Bunbury methods to my posts.

That said, I am glad I lurked because it is voices like yours that reminds me their are real people as collateral damage on the 'trans' side, through no fault of their own.

I'm interested in the third space campaign you mentioned. Is this a national thing, I'd like to support it. I'm also really interested in funding mental health support for people in your situation if you know of anything.

Hoping there'll come a time soon when you can live your life as you wish without bullying.

@justawoman

Female socialisation is one hell of a drug. On a thread about lesbian visibility the last few pages have been entirely devoted to singing the praises of one (admittedly, apparently v cool) transwoman. It reminds me of what happened when Debbie Hatton first appeared on here. And also of why we desperately need women-only spaces, since as soon as a man appears he will get centred. But even more than that, we need lesbian-only spaces, since lesbians are more likely not to feel the same impulse to centre men and will tend to take women seriously and centre them as a default position. That’s perhaps what I miss most about the disappeared lesbian spaces.

This ^^

To be clear.

in light of this being Lesbian Visibility Week, Shizuku could also tell us exactly what the trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture that is continuing to build.

This was posted back on p 13, yesterday. And has been ignored. Completely.

Surely if you consider yourself an activist, you do wear badges, after all, this horrific and triggering abuse targeting lesbians about their partner choices should be high on the list to change?

yes?

Deconstructing the “Good Transwomen”
May 6, 2020 Jennifer Bilek
(extract)
"Transwomen who recognise the misogyny inherent in transgender and transsexual activism must still confront the objectification of women they participate in."

uncommongroundmedia.com/deconstructing-the-good-transwomen/

Surely if you consider yourself an activist, you do wear badges, after all, this horrific and triggering abuse targeting lesbians about their partner choices should be high on the list to change?

It does at least appear to be the priority of LGB Alliance - it is the main thing they expressed as what they urgently need to do in their "Mess We're In" interview - get in place support channels for young lesbians in particular. And that's why they're not interested in spending energy trying to win libel fights or anything.

justawoman

I agree, it does tend to happen.

But it's interesting to see how the censorship and silencing extends to anyone not agreeing with the ideology. It's useful to realise that the ideology appears to support only a certain section of trans people.

Whilst I agree with not centring men, I think funding appropriate support for third spaces and mental health etc. would have a knock on effect for women's safe spaces so is a avenue worth pursuing.

This coupled with financial support for women only lesbian spaces would achieve a good outcome for both groups.

It's the snowball effect, sort one and the other will naturally follow.

But yes, the original subject of this thread was lesbian women and that should have been the focus (although it is hardly surprising we've ended up here considering the statements made in post one!)

Here is a group who is doing some excellent work in working for better rights and protections for lesbians during Lesbian Visibility Week. The Charity Commission think so too!!

lgballiance.org.uk

@Helleofabore

Here is a group who is doing some excellent work in working for better rights and protections for lesbians during Lesbian Visibility Week. The Charity Commission think so too!!

lgballiance.org.uk

Indeed.

What We Want To Do

Advance the interests of LGB people – which we see as being in danger right now. We believe that attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and the notion of gender are harming LGB people.

A group now publicly endorsed as a legitimate charity by the charity commission.

*Sadly that's what people do nowadays: wear badges.

Time was that most people stopped pinning badges to their denim jackets and bags when they left school.*

This. Wearing badges is the same as removing any reference to the word woman, female and lesbian when talking about women, female biology and women attracted to women by companies: stupid attempt to show you are 'right on' without having to do anything that actually improves lives.

Lesbians are same SEX attracted. That should be the end of it.

*Here is a group who is doing some excellent work in working for better rights and protections for lesbians during Lesbian Visibility Week. The Charity Commission think so too!!

lgballiance.org.uk*

And here is a group that doesn't have to wear badges to be 'on the right side of history'

I have no problem at all with you disagreeing with me, but when you resort to simply mocking someone for being trans, you are engaging in transphobic bullying.