Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

*post, I mean.

@HamsterV2

Hey - I'm finally getting to know what it feels like to be a woman.

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Welcome

@Anovaneway

The attempted redefinition of the word “lesbian” has everything to do with the topic of this thread

There are many lesbians born women who have clearly stated that if they fell in love with a trans woman they would still be lesbians and have the right to define themselves as lesbians.

Yes, the OP is one of them. Says they're female, says they're lesbian.

Hamster

The simple answer of what trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture is nothing.

Your answer is raw and honest.

I do want to say though that listening to your experiences and other trans people's experiences when they take the approach to talk rather than educate does more for trans activism than any other 'activists'. It is through these interactions with trans people willing to listen and discuss that allows us to move towards solutions.

So, thank you for what you do and for your continued presence here. Just your voice reminds us that there IS so much disparity amongst trans people themselves.

I mean, just on this thread we have a trans person stating female is a gender identity and that it is all very complicated vs a trans ally who has just stated Well no one follows gender stereotypes anymore so there isn't much to it other than wanting to be called a woman and having she/her pronouns. (Again, thanks ASugar, that has really made it all clear.)

I just want to get on with my life in peace and wish this would all stop tbh. From an utterly selfish point of view, this affects me just as it affects women. People like me are being tarred with the same brush as the others in the community and it's wearing

I think that it is hugely important that more people recognise that there are voices such as yours to be heard. I know that many regular posters on FWR do understand the trans activism, as a term, covers a wide range of beliefs and stances.

@Kit19

I guess the monitors are watching this thread closely then

(waves to the eyeballs in the sky)

as always I find it interesting whose posts stand and whose get deleted....

And how posts that stand for a few hours then go correlates with who is and isn't actively posting here at the time.

By the way Hamster, I screenshot your reply as I knew it would not be allowed to stand.

@HamsterV2

....and I've just had my long post deleted. "Wrong kind of trans" strikes again...

Ffs. Hope you saved it - that was an epic rant .

@HamsterV2

....and I've just had my long post deleted. "Wrong kind of trans" strikes again...

Mumsnet is not pre-moderated. You are getting reported, hamster.

Maybe set up an email discourse with HQ? I didn't read anything in your post that could remotely break a guideline.

mumsnet have stated that they welcome the opinions of transpeople here, I'm sure they will listen 💐

I've also asked MNHQ why Hamster's post was deleted. Probably just get put on a list of known infidels myself, now 🙄

@HamsterV2

Hey - I'm finally getting to know what it feels like to be a woman.

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You win the internet today!

There's a distinct lack of lesbian visibility on this thread and its interesting to see who is given/takes space and who is ignored.

Magdalen Berns
'There Is No Such Thing as a Lesbian With a Penis!'

I knew it would not be allowed to stand.

Did you see any actual grounds though? Generalisations, I guess?

But how do you talk about a community without generalising?

Or, indeed talk about anything?

And how posts that stand for a few hours then go correlates with who is and isn't actively posting here at the time.

Be interesting to know if the majority of reports on this board come from people who actually engage in the conversations here.

Do MN respond to FOI requests?

I don't think the self-styled "monitors" post on here, do they?

Which I think is incredibly weird.

I've emailled MNHQ and asked them why my post was deleted. Obviously the post was made from my experience, so I'm interested if "generalisations" are the cause.

Puts on my tin foil hat

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd guess the reporter was probably trans. Either a Twitter monitor or another trans person who posts on threads . It kind of proves my point insofar as what I said in my now deleted post.

Did you see any actual grounds though? Generalisations, I guess?

yes. You took screen shots yourself, so there are words in there that people don't want mentioned in conjunction to this movement or particular people. For instance, certain personality types.

There was also Hamster telling us the abuse that they receive, the names they get called. But I have not seen any threads really where those terms get to stay, even if it is a victim of that abuse describing it.

That is a great reminder of the harm caused by erasing language through narrow censorship so that victims can no longer use their words for their plight.

Sorry again Hamster. I hope that you can talk to MNHQ and maybe repost an edited version. It was a powerful post. But I also understand that you might simply not have the wish to revisit it.

ahhh. cross post

The response I got was "the post contained personal attacks".
I didn't see it, is this true?

The response I got was "the post contained personal attacks".
I didn't see it, is this true?

There were no personal attacks in the post. I mentioned no 3rd party by name or inference. I only made reference to a "community"

Well, there you go; that's the official MNHQ explanation 🤷🏻‍♀️
How sinister

the post contained personal attacks

Utterly untrue. I'm reading it again now.

The only people referred to in the post were Hellabore, just directing the reply, Tinsel, being appalled at the attacks upon, and HamsterV2 referring to themself.

Be interesting to know if the majority of reports on this board come from people who actually engage in the conversations here.

You’re probably not interested but I hardly ever report posts on MN and definitely haven’t in the last few months. Or even this year. I can’t remember when I last did or if it was trans related.

Can’t prove that of course but MN don’t like lying so happy for this to be verified by them if ever needed.

@HamsterV2

*The response I got was "the post contained personal attacks". I didn't see it, is this true?*

There were no personal attacks in the post. I mentioned no 3rd party by name or inference. I only made reference to a "community"

Are deletions for personal attacks now extended to the part of a group you have personal experience of? That can't be right. We can't talk about anything in that case I don't get it.

Maybe if you put the words 'some people in the' before the word 'community'?

I can concur Necessary, I too have it still up on screen and on a screenshot.

@Anovaneway

Be interesting to know if the majority of reports on this board come from people who actually engage in the conversations here.

You’re probably not interested but I hardly ever report posts on MN and definitely haven’t in the last few months. Or even this year. I can’t remember when I last did or if it was trans related.

Can’t prove that of course but MN don’t like lying so happy for this to be verified by them if ever needed.

Mumsnet don't like lying? Where have they said that? I wasn't aware they concerned themselves with the veracity of people's' posts.

Are you saying we can report for lies?