Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

@NecessaryScene1

the post contained personal attacks

Utterly untrue. I'm reading it again now.

The only people referred to in the post were Hellabore, just directing the reply, Tinsel, being appalled at the attacks upon, and HamsterV2 referring to themself.

I'm now actually wondering if MNHQ actually read the posts that are reported, or do they just automatically delete on the grounds that the reporter claims? Their explanation would appear to be a complete fabrication?? Wtf?

@HamsterV2

*The response I got was "the post contained personal attacks". I didn't see it, is this true?*

There were no personal attacks in the post. I mentioned no 3rd party by name or inference. I only made reference to a "community"

Can you ask MNHQ to remove the personal attack and repost? If it’s the post I’m thinking of it was and authentic, well written and important. I’d like to see it reinstated, even if slightly edited if MN require.

if that is the definition of a personal attack than other posts on here should be gone but they dont seem to be - though of course generally we dont report as much

There was no personal attack.

Stared a bit harder at HamsterV2's, as I wanted to confirm that there wasn't even an inferred reference to anyone else on the thread. I think I see one potential thing.

In referring to being appalled at attacks on Tinsel's trans widows stuff, and saying something about the sort of person that would do that, it could be inferred that might be singling out an individual on the thread, as we have here someone who is known to be among the many who have done that.

But that's the strongest issue I can come up with.

Could well be that. I got a deletion for suggesting the use of a particular emoji.

Hang on, Hamster's last post was deleted, seriously?! That's an absolute disgrace given what is allowed to stand. I've really enjoyed your posts Hamster.

I've asked @NecessaryScene1 to DM me a text copy of my post and I'll repost it the potentially offending sentence removed.

Mumsnet don't like lying? Where have they said that? I wasn't aware they concerned themselves with the veracity of people's' posts.

Are you saying we can report for lies?

I mean lying to stir up stuff on threads. Don’t they usually delete threads and posts if people are not being genuine or causing trouble? I’ve seen that happen.

I got deleted for a personal attack.

I think because I mentioned a poster by name? It really wasn’t a personal attack, in fact it was just repeating something that poster had said.

I've had an answer from MNHQ and redacted the offending sentence which was a "negative generalisation"

Helleofabore

The simple answer of what trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture is nothing.

With the exception of...

Those who DO speak up are shut down, abused and accused of being quislings, traitors, truscum or the wrong kind of trans. You either have to follow the TWAW narrative or your opinions are invalid.

Misogyny and latent homophobia is rife, with a large order of coercion and gaslighting. Whether it's telling children they're trans because they don't fit gender stereotypes or telling women that genital preferences are transphobic - it doesn't matter, anything goes.

The few of us who will/want to stand with women and speak up are drowned out in a sea of anime profiles, fluffy gender feelz, made up genders and an ideological nonsense that defies belief.

You say I'm a trans activist. My activism lies in wanting to maintain safeguarding for women and girls, keeping single sex spaces and the promotion of third spaces for trans people (for which I have been accused of wanting to set up "trans ghettos"). Whilst I am trans, I have nothing in common with the current ideology and vehemently oppose it in all its forms, whether that be affirmation therapy, medicalisation of children or equality at the expense of others rights.

Despite my light hearted comments and general stupidity on this thread, I think this has been an enlightening depiction of the madness. I am also appalled at the attacks on Tinsel's sterling work with trans widows. Having never been in a relationship with a woman or 'come out' whilst in a relationship I can only imagine the trauma that women suffer when this happens. To try and belittle that support just shows the mindset of some people. (I'll say no more on this because I'll get banned!)

I just want to get on with my life in peace and wish this would all stop tbh. From an utterly selfish point of view, this affects me just as it affects women. People like me are being tarred with the same brush as the others in the community and it's wearing. That doesn't mean I'll change my values or stop standing up for women - I just wish it would just all go away sometimes so I can just be "me" without all the unnecessary attention caused by the consequences of the warped ideology. But that's enough self-pity.

Sometimes I wish I could do more but I'm not eloquent enough, clever enough nor have the resources to make the impact that some of the wonderful grass roots organisations that women have set up to make that difference.'

You’re probably not interested but I hardly ever report posts on MN and definitely haven’t in the last few months. Or even this year. I can’t remember when I last did or if it was trans related.

I usually only bother with the obvious troll posts, like the ''get back in the kitchen, witches'' threads that crop up here every so often.

I was just curious, really. MN don't want a 'block poster button' because it will stifle conversation, but I think so many deletions for reasons that aren't obvious has the same effect.

So I was just wondering if the same posters reporting actually try engaging here with the stuff they disagree with, or if they're from people with accounts for the purpose of reporting.

MN sometimes say they've had 'a high volume of reports', so it made me curious where they come from, because being honest there aren't many posters from 'the other side' of the debate posting here, certainly not enough to report in 'high volume'. Unless we're allowed to spam the report button

Thank you for reposting Hamster.

I can only hope for just as eloquent an answer from others.

HamsterV2 ♥️

I'm so glad that post is back

And what's awful that is the people who are determined that this is horrifically transphobic site point at deleted posts on threads as evidence of this and say triumphantly 'see! They wouldn't delete posts unless they were transphobic!'

We have a transwoman giving her actual lived experience and opinion and we're having to pore over her deleted posts to determine what on earth she said 'wrong'.

I mean lying to stir up stuff on threads. Don’t they usually delete threads and posts if people are not being genuine or causing trouble? I’ve seen that happen.

They do take threads down sometimes to 'look behind the scenes' if a poster is caught telling porkies/has an inconsistent posting history.

@HamsterV2

I've had an answer from MNHQ and redacted the offending sentence which was a "negative generalisation"

Helleofabore

The simple answer of what trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture is nothing.

With the exception of...

Those who DO speak up are shut down, abused and accused of being quislings, traitors, truscum or the wrong kind of trans. You either have to follow the TWAW narrative or your opinions are invalid.

Misogyny and latent homophobia is rife, with a large order of coercion and gaslighting. Whether it's telling children they're trans because they don't fit gender stereotypes or telling women that genital preferences are transphobic - it doesn't matter, anything goes.

The few of us who will/want to stand with women and speak up are drowned out in a sea of anime profiles, fluffy gender feelz, made up genders and an ideological nonsense that defies belief.

You say I'm a trans activist. My activism lies in wanting to maintain safeguarding for women and girls, keeping single sex spaces and the promotion of third spaces for trans people (for which I have been accused of wanting to set up "trans ghettos"). Whilst I am trans, I have nothing in common with the current ideology and vehemently oppose it in all its forms, whether that be affirmation therapy, medicalisation of children or equality at the expense of others rights.

Despite my light hearted comments and general stupidity on this thread, I think this has been an enlightening depiction of the madness. I am also appalled at the attacks on Tinsel's sterling work with trans widows. Having never been in a relationship with a woman or 'come out' whilst in a relationship I can only imagine the trauma that women suffer when this happens. To try and belittle that support just shows the mindset of some people. (I'll say no more on this because I'll get banned!)

I just want to get on with my life in peace and wish this would all stop tbh. From an utterly selfish point of view, this affects me just as it affects women. People like me are being tarred with the same brush as the others in the community and it's wearing. That doesn't mean I'll change my values or stop standing up for women - I just wish it would just all go away sometimes so I can just be "me" without all the unnecessary attention caused by the consequences of the warped ideology. But that's enough self-pity.

Sometimes I wish I could do more but I'm not eloquent enough, clever enough nor have the resources to make the impact that some of the wonderful grass roots organisations that women have set up to make that difference.'

Oh that's good, you've reposted it.

I can't remember what the redacted bit said.

Hopefully it doesn't matter, at all, given that you can reiterate your own personal experience.

@HamsterV2 great post

IME the 'monitoring' always ramps up several notches when the 'monitors' feel the control slipping in real life.

I reckon they're antsy over Maya atm. Oh & the LGBA.

I need to go and do some "stuff", but as we're nearly at 1000 messages, I'd like to pay tribute to the real star of this thread - without whom, the lighthearted parts wouldn't have been possible.

@R0wantrees

There's a distinct lack of lesbian visibility on this thread and its interesting to see who is given/takes space and who is ignored.

Magdalen Berns
'There Is No Such Thing as a Lesbian With a Penis!'

Indeed...

@Anovaneway

The attempted redefinition of the word “lesbian” has everything to do with the topic of this thread

There are many lesbians born women who have clearly stated that if they fell in love with a trans woman they would still be lesbians and have the right to define themselves as lesbians.

Well, you can sincerely eat steak every day while insisting that you're a vegan and be entitled to call yourself one if it floats your boat. But you won't be able to control anyone's belief that you are, in fact, a vegan.