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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 12:38

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

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ArabellaScott · 20/04/2021 12:43

Good news. EXCELLENT news! Congratulations, LGBA!

yourhairiswinterfire · 20/04/2021 12:49

Congratulations to them. Fantastic news!

I remember the petitions trying to stop them registering as a charity, very spiteful, so I'm chuffed that it didn't work.

Onwards and upwards LGBA :)

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/04/2021 12:51

Copy and pasted from a thread I started at the same time (which I will ask to be deleted).

Apparently they applied March last year, but were delayed due to complaints. I found the reasoning behind allowing their registration interesting.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/lgb-alliance/lgb-alliance-full-decision

One of the complaints said that:

23.The Commission received objections to registration of LGB Alliance, which are in summary, on the basis that the organisation’s purposes:

i. unlawfully discriminate against transgender people under the Equality Act 2010 (the Equality Act);

The commission found that:

26.Section 193 of the Equality Act provides an exemption from the prohibitions in that Act where benefits are restricted by reference to persons sharing a protected characteristic in pursuance of a charitable instrument, and where this is either a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim or is for the purpose of preventing or compensating for a disadvantage linked to the protected characteristic.

28.Promoting equality and human rights for lesbian, gay and bisexual people is not unlawful or contrary to public policy. A purpose of promoting the equality and human rights of lesbian, gay and bisexual people is not inherently discriminatory and does not necessarily have the effect of inhibiting the rights of transgender people.

30.In support of its application for registration LGB Alliance stated that “In educating the public about human rights and equality issues relating to the LGB community, LGB Alliance’s position will be there are only two sexes and gender is a social construct, and that this perspective should form part of the discussion about these issues.”

31.Similar views were considered in the decision of the Employment Tribunal in Forstater v CGD Europe & others [footnote 12] in which the Tribunal held (subject to an appeal) that the absolutist nature of a belief which denied the right of a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) to be the sex to which they had transitioned was incompatible with human dignity and the fundamental rights of others. It therefore did not qualify as a belief protected by section 10 of the Equality Act.[snip]

32.The fact that a particular belief does not attract such protection does not necessarily compel the finding that the promotion of rights, or the education of the public, in accordance with such a belief cannot be charitable. The question is whether the manifestation of that belief renders the purposes non-charitable.

34.If the promotion of the rights of one group is to be pursued in a way which invariably involves the denigration of the rights of others, that purpose may not be for public benefit. However, promoting the equality and human rights of lesbian, gay and bisexual people may be pursued without denigrating the rights of transgender people.

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ArabellaScott · 20/04/2021 12:53

A group set up to support lesbians, gays and bisexuals is homophobic and biphobic. Of course.

And Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.

Shizuku · 20/04/2021 12:54

Are these the #sayyestohate group or am I thinking of someone else?

SunsetBeetch · 20/04/2021 12:55

Was about to say, I bet TRAs are kicking up a stink, and lo and behold...

ArabellaScott · 20/04/2021 12:56

ItsAll, that is very interesting, thank you. Glad to see this spelled out clearly:

'promoting the equality and human rights of lesbian, gay and bisexual people may be pursued without denigrating the rights of transgender people.'

One could say the same thing about pursing the equality and human rights of women, I expect.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2021 12:56

Are these the #sayyestohate group

No. Hope that helps.

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 20/04/2021 12:57

Amazing news!

PronounssheRa · 20/04/2021 12:57

@Shizuku

Are these the #sayyestohate group or am I thinking of someone else?
Pretty sure your thinking of a different group
Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2021 12:58

top of them existing solely to be transphobic.

It's called "positive action" on the grounds of sexual orientation, as protected characteristics are allowed to promote their own separate interests without having to include people who do not share them. That applies to trans people too, as you know.

RedDogsBeg · 20/04/2021 12:59

Excellent news.

NonnyMouse1337 · 20/04/2021 13:00

Fantastic news! Congratulations to the LGB Alliance. Smile

SunsetBeetch · 20/04/2021 13:01

"Waaahhhhhh"

twitter.com/ryanjohnbutcher/status/1384466499847421955?s=20

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity
AssassinatedBeauty · 20/04/2021 13:03

Brilliant, this is great news.

OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 13:03

It is to be expected that those who started or perhaps signed a petition hoping to prevent their application being accepted will be disheartened or even upset that their wish had not been granted.

It is however a great time for lesbians, gay men and bisexual people to celebrate that there is a group that is committed to preserving and fighting for their rights and can remain solely focused on this, as other groups are able to have charitable status in the same way and focus on their particular remit or mission, such as La Leche League for breastfeeding or Endometriosis U.K.

It clearly took a long time and the CC were thorough in their assessment.

I'm sure some people would like to complain again and so I hope you will find this useful...

www.gov.uk/complain-about-charity

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PronounssheRa · 20/04/2021 13:04

Sunset

I'm just waiting for john Nicholson reaction.

I can't shake the feeling that some of these men dislike LGB alliance because its women led.

yourhairiswinterfire · 20/04/2021 13:04

Hopefully now they're a registered charity rather than a group, this means that they'll be able to take action against homophobic people and organisations that publicly smear them?

ArabellaScott · 20/04/2021 13:05

Lovely to see, Sunset!

Margie70 · 20/04/2021 13:05

Wonderful news!

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