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LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 12:38

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

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Erkrie · 21/04/2021 16:58

The definition of a trans woman is "a transgender person who has transitioned from male to female". So they must be female to you. Meaning they must be women

Ah yes. I remember. The dictionary doesn't say that. I posted the definition for you. ☺️

Here you go, I'll post it again.

transwomen according to the OED.

Designating a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond to that person's sex at birth, or which does not otherwise conform to conventional notions of sex and gender

It doesn't say anyone has transitioned to male or female and are now the opposite sex. It might be worth you exploring the concept of legal fiction, and also how few people actually have a GRC to create this legal fiction. ☺️

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 16:58

@Erkrie

The definition of a trans woman is "a transgender person who has transitioned from male to female". So they must be female to you. Meaning they must be women

Ah yes. I remember. The dictionary doesn't say that. I posted the definition for you. ☺️

Here you go, I'll post it again.

transwomen according to the OED.

Designating a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond to that person's sex at birth, or which does not otherwise conform to conventional notions of sex and gender

It doesn't say anyone has transitioned to male or female and are now the opposite sex. It might be worth you exploring the concept of legal fiction, and also how few people actually have a GRC to create this legal fiction. ☺️

Oh so only specific dictionaries. I see.
JustcameoutGC · 21/04/2021 16:59

Seriously lads - do none of youse have jobs? Grin

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 16:59

Because there's no right or wrong way to be attracted to others.

There is plenty of wrong ways to be attracted to others. ☺️

CardinalLolzy · 21/04/2021 17:00

Or Dictionary.com
"an adult who was assigned male at birth but whose gender identity is female."

yeahbutnaw · 21/04/2021 17:00

Anyone remember this classic example of LGB activism from the Alliance?

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity
Helleofabore · 21/04/2021 17:00

Other adult humans. That doesnt mean anyone else.

No. The words you typed do not mean that. And there is no reason for us to assume that is what you meant. You are, after all, well trained in safeguarding you tell us.

Perhaps if you are being picked up for misinformation and errors you need to take the time to carefully consider your posts. There is a preview message button if it helps.

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 17:00

@Erkrie

Because there's no right or wrong way to be attracted to others.

There is plenty of wrong ways to be attracted to others. ☺️

If it is two consenting adults and they are both happy and enjoying the relationship there is nothing wrong
ASugarr · 21/04/2021 17:01

Actually, not just two. Can be more than two.

yeahbutnaw · 21/04/2021 17:01

Or when they argued for Straight Rights?

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 21/04/2021 17:02

This piece from Lesbian and Gay News demonstrates the marginalisation and exclusion of exclusively same sex attracted lesbians in the so called “LGBT community”.

From what I hear, the “LGBT community” is actually perpetrating some of the worst homophobia in the UK these days - and yes, especially lesbophobia, as you say R0.

This is why the LGBA was and is needed. For these women.

I stand with them and I’m thrilled that that the LGBA has rightly been awarded charitable status.

lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/02/lesbian-women-talk-about-meeting-transbians-on-women-only-dating-sites/

Perhaps something the LGBA could that would concretely support same sex attracted people would be to set up a new social network, particularly for lesbians. I’ve heard so many times from so many friends and posters on here that there aren’t any publicly accessible lesbian only spaces left any more, those that do exist have to be clandestine.

Now that the LGBA is a recognised charity, it might be possible to revive those lesbian only spaces under their auspices. Groups and spaces just for biologically female people who are exclusively attracted to other biologically female people. Wouldn’t that be progressive!

Helleofabore · 21/04/2021 17:02

Page 40.....

I'll repeat.

Time for some of that evidence to be posted that supports the assertions that have been made. Since they are supposedly on the LGB Alliance's website, they are obviously easy to cut and paste.

Otherwise, I think we can assume that the assertions are again unfounded and are probably just a repetition of the rhetoric from twitter self-identified 'influencers'. Meaning people who are very sparing of the truth, but are paid by the follower and the interaction so rely on being 'edgy' and telling people what they want to hear.

Anything? Or just crickets......

yeahbutnaw · 21/04/2021 17:03

Or against supporting suicidal LGBT teens?

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity
CardinalLolzy · 21/04/2021 17:03

If it is two consenting adults and they are both happy and enjoying the relationship there is nothing wrong
So now happiness is a requirement to be the 'right' way of being attracted to someone?

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 17:03

Oh so only specific dictionaries. I see

Not just any dictionary. The OED. I see the problem if you're resorting to just any dictionary though. As we're both in the UK the OED is the one you need. ☺️

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is the principal historical dictionary of the English language, published by Oxford University Press (OUP).

CardinalLolzy · 21/04/2021 17:04

I think someone's image files are mixed up - they are annotating them rather incorrectly! oops!

R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 17:04

LGB Alliance 'The Gay Spot Episode 2'
28/11/2020
Are gay men getting lost in the gender identity debate?
Should gay and bisexual men be worried by the rise of gender identity?
Is male same-sex attraction under attack as sex is erased in favour of gender?
Are the gay boys of today at risk of being told they’re really girls trapped in “the wrong body”?
Simon Fanshawe talks to Malcolm Clark, Lachlan Stuart and James Roberts."

Transcript extract,
"Good evening, welcome to all of you. My name is Simon Fanshawe. I was one of the original founders of Stonewall, one of the original six. And I was also involved in the starting of Kaleidoscope and now professionally I work on diversity inclusion with organizations in lots of different sectors, in all three sectors.

Many of you might be curious about the LGB Alliance. A couple of words about them to start with. It was set up by a group of lesbians and gay men and bisexuals most of whom have spent their lives campaigning for equality for people who are gay (attracted to the same sex). Lesbians, gay men and bisexuals, the name is on the tin.
It's entirely funded by individual donations. So contrary to any kind of fake news of the Trumpian kind you may have heard from people, who frankly should know better, it receives no money or engagement
whatsoever from right-wing or even left-wing subversive influencing foundations. It's rather borne out of the concerns of many, many lesbians, gays and bisexuals, who believe that the rights for which
they campaigned for so long and so hard, are now under threat because of concerted attempts to campaign for a wholesale confusion between biological sex and gender and a takeover by gender identity ideology.
So what we're going to do today is discuss those concerns. What are they based on? What are gay men worried about with this increasing attempt to take over campaigning organizations? Why are they worried about the confusion between sex and gender which affects equality laws or the choices open to children and young people or women's participation in sport and freedom of disagreement?" (continues)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-giK3FdCgw

yeahbutnaw · 21/04/2021 17:04

Or when they said this about opposing gay marriage being fine

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity
Helleofabore · 21/04/2021 17:05

Page 40.....

I'll repeat.

Time for some of that evidence to be posted that supports the assertions that have been made. Since they are supposedly on the LGB Alliance's website, they are obviously easy to cut and paste.

Otherwise, I think we can assume that the assertions are again unfounded and are probably just a repetition of the rhetoric from twitter self-identified 'influencers'. Meaning people who are very sparing of the truth, but are paid by the follower and the interaction so rely on being 'edgy' and telling people what they want to hear.

Anything? Anything that is actually supporting your assertions at all? Not just spurious claims with no comment.

Or just crickets......

highame · 21/04/2021 17:06

and once more for the audience.....Congratulations LGBA

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 17:06

If it is two consenting adults and they are both happy and enjoying the relationship there is nothing wrong

Always best to make it clear that it's legal and consenting ☺️

CardinalLolzy · 21/04/2021 17:07

[quote R0wantrees]LGB Alliance 'The Gay Spot Episode 2'
28/11/2020
Are gay men getting lost in the gender identity debate?
Should gay and bisexual men be worried by the rise of gender identity?
Is male same-sex attraction under attack as sex is erased in favour of gender?
Are the gay boys of today at risk of being told they’re really girls trapped in “the wrong body”?
Simon Fanshawe talks to Malcolm Clark, Lachlan Stuart and James Roberts."

Transcript extract,
"Good evening, welcome to all of you. My name is Simon Fanshawe. I was one of the original founders of Stonewall, one of the original six. And I was also involved in the starting of Kaleidoscope and now professionally I work on diversity inclusion with organizations in lots of different sectors, in all three sectors.

Many of you might be curious about the LGB Alliance. A couple of words about them to start with. It was set up by a group of lesbians and gay men and bisexuals most of whom have spent their lives campaigning for equality for people who are gay (attracted to the same sex). Lesbians, gay men and bisexuals, the name is on the tin.
It's entirely funded by individual donations. So contrary to any kind of fake news of the Trumpian kind you may have heard from people, who frankly should know better, it receives no money or engagement
whatsoever from right-wing or even left-wing subversive influencing foundations. It's rather borne out of the concerns of many, many lesbians, gays and bisexuals, who believe that the rights for which
they campaigned for so long and so hard, are now under threat because of concerted attempts to campaign for a wholesale confusion between biological sex and gender and a takeover by gender identity ideology.
So what we're going to do today is discuss those concerns. What are they based on? What are gay men worried about with this increasing attempt to take over campaigning organizations? Why are they worried about the confusion between sex and gender which affects equality laws or the choices open to children and young people or women's participation in sport and freedom of disagreement?" (continues)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-giK3FdCgw[/quote]
Homophobia in this thread clearly demonstrates why the LGBA is needed.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2021 17:07

anything?

yeahbutnaw · 21/04/2021 17:07

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