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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 12:38

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

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Biscuitsanddoombar · 20/04/2021 13:41

Hahahaha the rage is brilliant to see. I mean honestly the self absorption is amazing EVERYTHING must be about then or include them. If it’s absolutely fine (and it is) for thete to specific charities for trans ppl then it is absolutely fine for their to be charities for lesbian, gay and bisexual ppl. Also it’s not compulsory to support a charity - any LGB ppl who don’t want to have anything to do with the LGB alliance don’t have to!

(I do hope they spend as much time ringing up donkey sanctuaries to berate them for not including badgers or the British heart foundation for not including cancer)

HermitsLife · 20/04/2021 13:41

Aw I missed the deleted post. Was it wishing health and solidarity to lesbians, gay men and bisexual people? How lovely 💐

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PronounssheRa · 20/04/2021 13:45

@HermitsLife

Aw I missed the deleted post. Was it wishing health and solidarity to lesbians, gay men and bisexual people? How lovely 💐
If by 'health and solidarity' you mean 'slow and painful deaths', then yes. They also extended their good wishes to all that post on here 😀
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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 13:47

I'm reluctant to derail my own post but is the now deleted post a hate crime? Death threats or the wish of us as group to die is hateful isn't it?

I perceive it as a hate crime so therefore it is, isn't it?

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Annasgirl · 20/04/2021 13:47

Well done to you all and congrats. If you need any support count on me.

yourhairiswinterfire · 20/04/2021 13:47

It’s a shot in the foot as at least now they have people to answer to.

What do they have to answer for?

The usual ''they're a hate group'',' ''they're transphobic'' didn't work to stop them registering as a charity, and it won't work now they are one. This doesn't work like Twitter where anyone can just fling any old accusation around. There'll need to be actual proof of any wrongdoing.

Promoting the interests of LGB people is not transphobic, the Charity Commission have acknowledged that. So LGBA are all good.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 20/04/2021 13:48

This is wonderful news. LGB people could really do with a charity just for us right now.

SunsetBeetch · 20/04/2021 13:49

Aww there's a petition. That's how every decision should be made, really: by twitter petition.

OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 13:51

Ah yes another petition and LGB Alliance is trending on Twitter.

There could be a recruitment drive from the CC to meet the influx of complaints so that's another plus.

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HermitsLife · 20/04/2021 13:51

Well the meanings of words are always evolving SheRah so you never know 😉😂

CardinalLolzy · 20/04/2021 13:54

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Copy and pasted from a thread I started at the same time (which I will ask to be deleted).

Apparently they applied March last year, but were delayed due to complaints. I found the reasoning behind allowing their registration interesting.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/lgb-alliance/lgb-alliance-full-decision

One of the complaints said that:

23.The Commission received objections to registration of LGB Alliance, which are in summary, on the basis that the organisation’s purposes:

i. unlawfully discriminate against transgender people under the Equality Act 2010 (the Equality Act);

The commission found that:

26.Section 193 of the Equality Act provides an exemption from the prohibitions in that Act where benefits are restricted by reference to persons sharing a protected characteristic in pursuance of a charitable instrument, and where this is either a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim or is for the purpose of preventing or compensating for a disadvantage linked to the protected characteristic.

28.Promoting equality and human rights for lesbian, gay and bisexual people is not unlawful or contrary to public policy. A purpose of promoting the equality and human rights of lesbian, gay and bisexual people is not inherently discriminatory and does not necessarily have the effect of inhibiting the rights of transgender people.

30.In support of its application for registration LGB Alliance stated that “In educating the public about human rights and equality issues relating to the LGB community, LGB Alliance’s position will be there are only two sexes and gender is a social construct, and that this perspective should form part of the discussion about these issues.”

31.Similar views were considered in the decision of the Employment Tribunal in Forstater v CGD Europe & others [footnote 12] in which the Tribunal held (subject to an appeal) that the absolutist nature of a belief which denied the right of a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) to be the sex to which they had transitioned was incompatible with human dignity and the fundamental rights of others. It therefore did not qualify as a belief protected by section 10 of the Equality Act.[snip]

32.The fact that a particular belief does not attract such protection does not necessarily compel the finding that the promotion of rights, or the education of the public, in accordance with such a belief cannot be charitable. The question is whether the manifestation of that belief renders the purposes non-charitable.

34.If the promotion of the rights of one group is to be pursued in a way which invariably involves the denigration of the rights of others, that purpose may not be for public benefit. However, promoting the equality and human rights of lesbian, gay and bisexual people may be pursued without denigrating the rights of transgender people.

Thank you for this, it's really useful to see it set out like this.
ArabellaScott · 20/04/2021 14:02

In all seriousness, I hope that everyone involved in LGB Alliance are safe and secure.

It's unimaginably brave to stand up against this tide of death threats, slander, and wild accusations, and it's appalling that in 2021 this is still happening. The fact that there is such an outpouring of vitriol, abuse and venom demonstrates quite clearly the need for this organisation, sadly.

I notice nobody has any evidence, whatsoever, of the things they accuse the LGBA of. If you don't have evidence, and find you are so infuriated by the very existence of a charity set up to work for LGB people, then maybe time to question who is doing the 'hate', here?

GreyhoundG1rl · 20/04/2021 14:04

@Evarish

If it's true then it's incredibly grim, given their perpetuation of homophobia and biphobia on top of them existing solely to be transphobic.
Three posts in... 🙄
titchy · 20/04/2021 14:05

Bloody women eh? Supporting gay and bisexual people. Supporting everyone's right to say 'no'. Should go back to changing bairns' nappies and washing pots.

Well done all! GrinGrinGrin

RedDogsBeg · 20/04/2021 14:07

Oh the weeping and wailing on Twitter. Basically what the hate group and anti-trans allegations seem to boil down to are:

Trans people are not included, centred, fawned over or dictating to this group.

One person was outraged at LGBA being allowed to campaign politically within the CC Remit in respect of proposed changes to the GRA, again irony meter explodes as, of course, Stonewall get a free pass to do just that and even lobby the Government directly.

True colours on display in abundance.

Lisz · 20/04/2021 14:07

Is it me or is it way quieter round here this week/month? I thought an announcement like this usually attracted more attention to MN being as this is really the only GC-friendly place left. A big day I’d have thought but.. no, seems not.

ChristinaXYZ · 20/04/2021 14:14

@Evarish

If it's true then it's incredibly grim, given their perpetuation of homophobia and biphobia on top of them existing solely to be transphobic.
Who told you that? Are they reliable? Did they give you factual evidence from more than one reliable source?

How to teach critical thinking in school.

The Charity Commission have to look at actual evidence (nor rumour). The Charity Commission: “looked at whether LGB Alliance’s purpose invariably involves the denigration of the rights of transgender people and considered that it did not.”

So without evidence to contrary you are just plain wrong.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2021 14:14

Oh, Lisz.

Tibtom · 20/04/2021 14:17

@OhHolyJesus

I'm reluctant to derail my own post but is the now deleted post a hate crime? Death threats or the wish of us as group to die is hateful isn't it?

I perceive it as a hate crime so therefore it is, isn't it?

Yes.
Tibtom · 20/04/2021 14:20

It looks like the charity commission had the lawyers pour over this knowing they were likely to be challenged either way.

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/04/2021 14:20

Excellent news.

And I hope Evarish has been banned.

Tibtom · 20/04/2021 14:25

34.If the promotion of the rights of one group is to be pursued in a way which invariably involves the denigration of the rights of others, that purpose may not be for public benefit.

Hmm.... I can think of a few other charities that would fail this test. One beginning with S for starters.

RabbitOfCaerbannog · 20/04/2021 14:27

@Lisz

Is it me or is it way quieter round here this week/month? I thought an announcement like this usually attracted more attention to MN being as this is really the only GC-friendly place left. A big day I’d have thought but.. no, seems not.
Lol
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