Transman Prinz Chiyo Gomes splits gay community: gay man accused of hate

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Prinz Chiyo is a transman who entered (and I'm told won, but can't confirm) the Mr Gay England competition last year:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53936529

Chiyo has talked publicly about Chiyo's experience of sexual abuse from an early ago. Chiyo is also an icon among young girls who want to escape the burden of femininity and is celebrated on BBC's Newsbeat.

A gay man who tweets as Sheridan Sinclair recently wrote an article about Chiyo and why he objected to a someone who talks openly about their vagina and the fact they menstruate qualifying to compete in Mr Gay England. This has set off a Twitterstorm. Sheridan Sinclair has been forced to close his Twitter account and take down his article.

twitter.com/mrgayengland/status/1376101627959074821

Before he was shut down, Sheridan Sinclair pointed out that many gay men have spent large parts of their lives being told there's something wrong with them, that they should learn to love 'pussy', and that having Chiyo compete in Mr Gay England is homophobic.

Sheridan Sinclair has been reported to the police for hate crime and is expecting a visit from the rozzers this morning. Fair Cop, I hope he's been in touch with you.

In terms of your comments regarding the prison statistics, this is something I will have to explore further as I don't see myself as capable to comment right now There are a few threads here on that, but they are quite long and got derailed over and over again.

Last July there was a court case about the legality of placing male bodied people in women's prisons. This was after a number of women reported having been sexually asaulted by a male bodied prisoner who was imprisoned for sexual assault. The logic is that single sex spaces that exclude trans identities is legal but can be ignored. So it is legal to place a male bodied person with convictions for rape in with women prisoners. LEGAL not moral, not right.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57692993

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

There are no actual numbers on how many male bodied prisoners are inthe women's prisons because nobody was counting and, of they had a GRC they were recorded as women.

Many women are fighting against this, highlighting the issues

fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/

It wasn't my intention for anyone to be quiet - just have a look at the other side I didn't mean to tell anyone off I appreciate my words were not correct always

Of course I will take a look at the guidelines thanks for the heads up and response

That’s a very fair post, ohholyjesus.

There are some really amazing women here. I learn something every day, I really do.

Males in the female estate in prisons is essentially state sanctioned sexual abuse. Think of that. You can't pay your fines so end up behind bars for 3 weeks and half a dozen rapes. Acceptable?

@GeorgiaPass

Hi Datun,

I apologise I was never questioning what you feel objective to - you have your reasons for all feelings which you do not need to explain to me.

I have just read this and believe it to be a very profound and clear explanation, I appreciate it being shared with me today.

In terms of your comments regarding the prison statistics, this is something I will have to explore further as I don't see myself as capable to comment right now

Thank you

I did tell you that the women here are probably the most informed there are!

Mumsnet is the biggest gathering of women in history. Never before have hundreds of thousands of women gathered in one place, exchanging ideas, sharing experiences. It's immensely powerful. Figuratively and practically.

Which is why it is relentlessly targeted. There is nothing more frightening to a patriarchal set up that relies on sexism, to see women giving each other support and the tools to deal with it.

J. K. Rowling is similar in that respect. She is an immensely powerful woman, intelligent and articulate, but most of all very well loved and listened to. Plus she is left-wing and all about the kids (she has set up her own children's charity, and covers all the overheads, so every single penny donated go straight to the children).

Which is why she is relentlessly targeted and smeared over and over. She must be shut down.

The 'break it down' thread mentioned above is worth looking at. Since it tracks the whole issue from quite a few years ago, up until now.

I always say this to people who think they might read it, but it's really important...take wine.

😊

If you read my post, the one above yours , you will see how much we have to mind how we phrase things. But we manage. You will too!

@GeorgiaPass

Oh right well if I am bad person for commenting on a thread that is open to all I truly apologise - but I'm not taking it back

I did not mean to offend - but we have had all the 'be kind' messages due to other members in the public eye having mental health issues and unfortunately in some cases losing their lives to the feelings this can cause.

I am not meaning to insult anyone's intelligence but could argue that by responding to me in this way you have proved your own point - as a non binary person who dared to speak for a member of the LGBTQ community I have been met with hostility.

I never brought in the comments hating anyone, you have done that yourselves my above comment is one from myself personally and I can imagine that some of you would have said exactly the same if the roles were reversed and I had stated this thread in a positive way.

Let me get this clear in my silly lady brain.

You join a thread which you are perfectly entitled to. Of course you are.

You tell us to be kind, quiet or educate ourselves.

We reply, er no we won't.

And you say we're hostile?!!

I'm curious - does be kind only work one way? I'm getting the feeling the courtesy isn't extended to our concerns about safety and safeguarding.

I will do better

No need for that, just be yourself. I sense you don't get much of a chance to truly do this elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am, otherwise the constant devotion to "do better, be better" must be exhausting.

Relax, be yourself. That will do just fine.

Yep, argue and debate as much as you want. Nobody here is afraid to debate. The moderators who patrol from elsewhere ARE afraid though. Wonder why?

Hello and welcome Georgia.

When I arrived on Mumsnet FWR (Feminism and Women’s Rights) I had my arse handed to me. I believe it’s a rite of passage for many!

Hope you will stay and chat.

I should say that was the case for me too. I was roundly admonished and felt really, really stupid. I remained angry about that for a day or two and then re-started my brain and begain to think about the questions I had been asked.

Quite a revelation.

@OhHolyJesus

I will do better

No need for that, just be yourself. I sense you don't get much of a chance to truly do this elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am, otherwise the constant devotion to "do better, be better" must be exhausting.

Relax, be yourself. That will do just fine.

Yeah oh holy one I was thinking that as well

Just be yourself.

Be a strong woman with boundaries.

That’s what I have learned here

See Georgia ? Now you know what "be nice" means in our world.

Just be yourself.

Be a strong woman with boundaries.

Stick around. I think you might like it here.

I am going to add to this.

GEorgia if you do stick around, be aware there are many different views on this board. But if you read original sources and apply critical thinking and then ask questions if you are not sure why others may have interpreted the same thing you have read in that way... and then make up your own mind. This board will be valuable.

When there are two sides being argued, if one side is reliant on only emotive manipulation and mantras, it becomes easy to see when people are not in fact reading original sources, or applying critical thinking.

So, even if you don't agree with something, challenging with a thought out post is good because it will extend discussion.

I do hope you stick around.

Yes, it's upsetting on a forum largely populated by women, and the feminist section in particular, seeing a woman who says she would so often forgo her own feelings for sake of others.

It's not that that's sometimes not a good thing. It's that women are socialised to think it's something only they should be doing, Georgia. Men are socialised to think the exact same thing, of course. That women will take second place.

This was an interesting program, Georgia, a few years ago on the TV. About the way little school children are socialised, almost from the word go. And how the adults who are doing it are completely unaware of how they are making it happen.

I don't know if it's still available, probably somewhere. It's worth a watch.

And I know this is all probably rather overwhelming, with people telling you to read this and watch that. But it's the sense of sorority, that wonderful world a poster above mentioned, which is responsible!

if you do stick around, be aware there are many different views on this board.

Yep. Not only are the posters here all possessed of many and varied thoughts and perspectives, they don't even maintain 'friendships' here. You will see two posters being in absolute lockstep on one thread and hammering at each others ideology in another.

The important thing about this corner of the internet is that we each defend the rights and dignity of women and girls as freely and as determinedly as we can.

Forgot the link!

g.co/kgs/MNwpWk

It has occurred to me that we are ruining our image, here.

Aren't we supposed be hideous vipers?

Do have a mooch around the threads, Georgia. Do you like podcasts? I have found some helpful.

Ye. I have had to shed my dinosaur name. I am no longer a raptor. I is ashamed

Don't worry, @CuriousaboutSamphire. You'll be transitioning into a dragon, I expect.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

It has occurred to me that we are ruining our image, here.

Aren't we supposed be hideous vipers?

Do have a mooch around the threads, Georgia. Do you like podcasts? I have found some helpful.

We really are!

Quick, somebody call someone an atrocious fucking halfwit or something.

ODFO Soph - atrocious fucking halfwit (or something)

just in case!!!

Phew. Thanks curious

Order is restored.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Ye. I have had to shed my dinosaur name. I am no longer a raptor. I is ashamed

Don't be ashamed, Samphire, isn't it cause for raptorous applause...?

I'll get my coat.