Suicide rate of those who have undergone reassignment

[Wandawomble]

Noticed a comment on the Times article recently posted - “The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.”

Can we find more information about this?

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Actually I think I have found it here.

Is it as awful as your post suggests?

I saw that and wondered. Thanks for the link.

This is comparing people who have undergone 'reassignment' with the rest of the populations, effectively? Finding it a bit hard to parse out what they are classing 'reassignment'.

Clarification to that paper discussed here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3761578-Long-Term-Follow-Up-of-Transsexual-Persons-Undergoing-Sex-Reassignment-Surgery-Cohort-Study-in-Sweden-2011-clarification-by-lead-researcher-Dr-Cecilia-Dhejne-2015

God that's awful.

More studying needed to find out how to get better outcomes. That's really sad.

I wonder what other groups have similar outcomes and if learnings can be applied across both groups.

I really think that the suggestion that drugs surgery and affirmation are all that's required is short sighted. The desire from some quarters to dismiss any mental health factors is really unhelpful.

The single most frequent cause of death in males under 50 years old is suicide.

(When you include the over 50's it accounts for the 7th leading cause of death).

Most mature adult transsexuals as per that study are male.
It's possible there is a belief in some suicidal males that if they transition they'll be alleviated from their depression? But it doesn't work?

They're at risk of suicide because they're male and depressed, not just because they're "trans"?

There are a lot of questions, but inflated suicide stats are myth number 5 in gender ideology.

I'm an adult late 40s and a post op transsexual.

I will always maintain that being trabssexual is a psychological disorder- it is certainly not normal to seek the amputation of healthy body parts! Therefore one would anticipate a higher degree of mental health issues.

Reassignment helps the right people but many are getting reassignment now that are blatantly not suitable. Fantasy is very different to reality! Also, even to those who do benefit it is by no means a miracle cure.

@BlueLipstickRocks

I'm an adult late 40s and a post op transsexual.

I will always maintain that being trabssexual is a psychological disorder- it is certainly not normal to seek the amputation of healthy body parts! Therefore one would anticipate a higher degree of mental health issues.

Reassignment helps the right people but many are getting reassignment now that are blatantly not suitable. Fantasy is very different to reality! Also, even to those who do benefit it is by no means a miracle cure.

Thank you for your honesty. If you don’t mind me asking, and please tell me if you do, when you first considered having surgery how much time did medics take to assess any mental health needs you may (or may not) have had?

I'm of the old fashioned type.... I wasn't diagnosed with "Gender Dysphoria" but with Transsexualism. It took well over a year with multiple practitioners and it was a diagnosis of exclusion - consider everything else first and only when other things are exhausted would they consider it.

Sadly nowadays it's a go to diagnosis even with obvious things like ASD being ignored.

@Wandawomble

Noticed a comment on the Times article recently posted - “The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.”

Can we find more information about this?

Here's a link to an interview with the scientist (Cecilia Dhejne) who conducted the study in which she discusses how transphobes and various ignorant people misrepresent the findings:

www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

"Dhejne: People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health."

@BlueLipstickRocks

I'm an adult late 40s and a post op transsexual.

I will always maintain that being trabssexual is a psychological disorder- it is certainly not normal to seek the amputation of healthy body parts! Therefore one would anticipate a higher degree of mental health issues.

Reassignment helps the right people but many are getting reassignment now that are blatantly not suitable. Fantasy is very different to reality! Also, even to those who do benefit it is by no means a miracle cure.

The actual doctors and scientists who define psychological disorders say you're wrong. This is from the American Psychological Association:

"A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons."

Sorry BlueLipstickRocks, Shizuku says you’re the wrong sort of trans.

Thanks for your comments btw, always interesting to hear from those with experience.

Sorry BlueLipstickRocks, Shizuku says you’re the wrong sort of trans.

Breathtakingly arrogant, isn't it?

@aliasundercover

Sorry BlueLipstickRocks, Shizuku says you’re the wrong sort of trans.

Thanks for your comments btw, always interesting to hear from those with experience.

Haven't said anything about what "sort" of trans person she is, I have merely pointed out that she is wrong to describe being transsexual as a psychological disorder.

@EdgeOfACoin

Sorry BlueLipstickRocks, Shizuku says you’re the wrong sort of trans.

Breathtakingly arrogant, isn't it?

Who is arrogant, me or the psychologists I am quoting?

@BlueLipstickRocks
Thank you.

@Shizuku
Trust you to have an opinion that is counter to that of someone who is actually living that life. 😩

As someone who has the psychological disorder of transsexualism I can say with absolute certainly that it most certainly is.

What is your credentials to say that it isn't? This is my lived experience for decades.

@BlueLipstickRocks

I'm of the old fashioned type.... I wasn't diagnosed with "Gender Dysphoria" but with Transsexualism. It took well over a year with multiple practitioners and it was a diagnosis of exclusion - consider everything else first and only when other things are exhausted would they consider it.

Sadly nowadays it's a go to diagnosis even with obvious things like ASD being ignored.

I really hope it has worked out for you BlueLipstickRocks.

No questions, just hoping that it's made you happier!

[quote Soontobe60]@BlueLipstickRocks
Thank you.

@Shizuku
Trust you to have an opinion that is counter to that of someone who is actually living that life. 😩[/quote]
It's not an "opinion", it's what the people who actually define psychological disorders say. If you don't like it, you'll have to take it up with them.

""A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

Haven't said anything about what "sort" of trans person she is, I have merely pointed out that she is wrong to describe being transsexual as a psychological disorder

I don’t think @BlueLipstickRocks has actually told us what gender they are have they?

Sorry Blue, It’s very rude of us to be speaking on your behalf. I’ll back off now.

I found your attitude arrogant. I felt you were being dismissive of BlueLipstick's diagnosis and experience.

However, perhaps I misinterpreted. It is not always easy to gauge tone from the written word.

@BlueLipstickRocks

As someone who has the psychological disorder of transsexualism I can say with absolute certainly that it most certainly is.

What is your credentials to say that it isn't? This is my lived experience for decades.

Again, it's not me saying it - it's the American Psychological Association. If you disagree, write to them and tell them.

Political ideologies have manipulated a lot of things - it doesn't make it right.

I will say it again- there is absolutely NOTHING normal about wanting healthy body parts removed.