What's it really like for girls when one of their classmates is trans? A short film.

[Shizuku]

Trans girl on using changing rooms - "So who could object? Perhaps some younger girl, but what could she do? Nothing".

Trans girl asked if they meet someone who may want to have a child - "I wouldn't mind looking for a surrogate mother".

The male entitlement is there, even at such a young age.

“telling a child that they can ‘change sex’ is wrong”

Telling a child they can change sex is a lie. Gaslighting.

I won't lie to children.

They aren’t really the future if they’ve taken so many cross hormones that they can’t reproduce.

Another under 30 woman here.

I will not sit back and let the rights that my great-grandmother fiercely fought for, be bulldozed in the name of male inclusion. I owe it to her and to any girls and women who come after me to protect and preserve those rights.

[quote JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown]Not rtft but find the post incredibly patronising.
Girls and women are saying no. We are saying no. I'm sick and tired of the endless attempts to override our boundaries.
If you genuinely want to find a way forward for both women and trans people, you need to start respecting women's rights because this is a line in the sand that we are not willing to scuff over.

And as for a video on the subject that isn't stage managed:
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I agree. I’m sick of it. Women get raped because of their sex not their gender.

I note OP you state young females are fully with you on this. What about boys and men. The teenage boys I know, would not date a trans girl. They will be kind to them of course. They will respect their pro nouns and their gender. But these boys know what sex trans girls.

@KitchenFairy

Trans girl on using changing rooms - "So who could object? Perhaps some younger girl, but what could she do? Nothing".

Trans girl asked if they meet someone who may want to have a child - "I wouldn't mind looking for a surrogate mother".

The male entitlement is there, even at such a young age.

I too found that utterly chilling; but was deleted on the other (itself deleted) thread for saying so 🤷🏻‍♀️

For such a huge, life-altering change, there's remarkably little good quality research. The long-awaited GIDS article published just after Keira Bell's judicial review ended has attracted some strong criticism.

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@WarriorN

“telling a child that they can ‘change sex’ is wrong”

Telling a child they can change sex is a lie. Gaslighting.

I won't lie to children.

It has to be a safeguarding issue surely? I just don’t get how we are allowing kids to transition and take a powerful cocktail of hormones, many not regulated or tested for this purpose. It’s abuse.

@SJaneS49

“telling a child that they can ‘change sex’ is wrong”

No it isn’t.

“Telling children that another child has ‘changed sex’ is wrong“.

Again no.

This section is absolutely vile. The transphobic nature of so many of the posts is appalling. Given how accepting of difference the younger generation of women tend to be, this focus & hate directed at trans women to the point of mania is not going to attract young women to feminism. Which will be all our loss.

Good luck OP, you’re on a lost cause with this lot!

A shame you can’t expand on this without resorting to insults.

Sex is chromosomes so no you can’t change it.

Moat girls are painfully embarrassed by their bodies. I dropped out of PE to avoid communal changing and hated puberty.

It has to be a safeguarding issue surely? I just don’t get how we are allowing kids to transition and take a powerful cocktail of hormones, many not regulated or tested for this purpose. It’s abuse.

Abso fucking lutely

I can only imagine what my political 26 year old LGBT daughter & her friends would make of this section, nothing positive I’m sure. Luckily, they are the future.

This nearly 28 year old and my friends, and the even younger girlfriends and boyfriend of my younger brothers are horrified about what is going on. We support women, and will defend the rights women before us fought for. We won't stand back and pretend we can't see women's protections and rights being stripped away.

Luckily, we're also part of the future :)

Honestly, take a good look at yourselves and ask yourself if this absolute mania over trans rights really is the future of feminism. It’s a bit sad if you think it is

It definitely is. And your manipulations - so blatantly obvious and crass - aren't going to stop that.

Wonder if Sjane read that BMJ blog? If she were to, maybe she might understand why so many women here are so worried about young gender non- conforming children.

@yourhairiswinterfire

I can only imagine what my political 26 year old LGBT daughter & her friends would make of this section, nothing positive I’m sure. Luckily, they are the future.

This nearly 28 year old and my friends, and the even younger girlfriends and boyfriend of my younger brothers are horrified about what is going on. We support women, and will defend the rights women before us fought for. We won't stand back and pretend we can't see women's protections and rights being stripped away.

Luckily, we're also part of the future :)

Thank God, winterfire

Honestly, take a good look at yourselves and ask yourself if this absolute mania over trans rights really is the future of feminism. It’s a bit sad if you think it is.

@SJaneS49 the future of feminism is for females. As it was, as it should still be. It's a bit sad you don't think feminism should centre females.

Honestly, take a good look at yourselves and ask yourself if this absolute mania over trans rights really is the future of feminism. It’s a bit sad if you think it is.

The future is to use language we find non offensive but also to not tell children they can change sex.

Yes it is very important as a feminist. And I’ll continue to say no to the erasure of sex based terminology and rights.

It’s a big deal to many. As seen in the HoL recently.

Unfortunately saying no attracts a lot of inaccurate claims around mania etc

You think what you are referring to by the word sex is objective changeable, I think what i am referring to by the word sex is objectively unchangeable, so therefore we are either using the word to refer to different things or one of us is wrong. You seem distinctly uninterested in exploring which it is.

Honestly, take a good look at yourselves and ask yourself if this absolute mania over trans rights really is the future of feminism. It’s a bit sad if you think it is

Women’s rights are the future of feminism. Who’d have thought it?!

Poor naive child. Cute and passing at present - but going forward they have a choice of male puberty which will now feel incongruent, or medical transition with all its limitations and side effects. Transition may in rare cases be a least worst solution but it's never going to be a happy ending as such.

OP, you said it's not about stereotypes - but this child's narrative very much is stereotypes. In their own interests should they not discuss with their therapist whether they really have unavoidable dysphoria, or are actually suffering from sexist parents (wouldn't let them dress as they wanted as a boy), clannish classmates (apparently had to play with boys who had different interests when they would have preferred to play barbies with girls), and possibly homophobic society (filmmaker seems to consider giggling about what boys you fancy to be evidence of girlishness; I'm really not comfortable with any 13 yr old being interviewed in this way).

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