What's it really like for girls when one of their classmates is trans? A short film.

[Shizuku]

Sorry, that should read female, not woman in second sentence.

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

A trans girl and a lesbian. Only one of them is a woman hence another girl won't feel uncomfortable around them undressed.

Good to know that homophobia doesn't exist in schools - phew!

Seriously, I have to post this again?
No, you don't. It adds zilch to your argument. But I suppose when it's all you've got... 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm (obviously) comparing discomfort at the presence of a trans girl to discomfort at the presence of a lesbian girl.

to use this equivalence is homophobic, you do realise that.

That may be. Your posting is homophobic and misogynistic.

Did you know that doctors profit from people being unwell?

Are you an American?
Because (in general, for the moment), that's not how it works in UK.
The majority of Doctors in the UK do not make "profit" on their work. They earn a salary.

The situation being referred to is one where a privatised health care model (which the American health care industry is desperate to export here) needlessly medicalises a proportion of the population based on "this is not a debate" and questionable science. (You're aware of John Money surely?)

@Helleofabore

And the girls in the film aren't uncomfortable changing with a trans girl are they?

Do you really believe that this was a video that wasn't staged in any way, shape or form?

Do you have any knowledge of how marketing plays into real life at all?

It is just so surprising to think that this video is being shown as evidence of anything except a film that celebrates a child's transition.

Do you honestly think that, Susan Koenen, sought to produce a balanced documentary? That there any girls who had expressed concern would ever have been included? To be forever targeted for being transphobic if they did? To be shunned by everyone at school?

Why do you think that would have been acceptable to the audience at the time either?

This narrative you continue to follow that there were NO girls on that video expressed concern is at best very naive. It continues to be harmful to women and children too as it leads them to understand that if they have concerns, they are hateful.

I am not convinced that you are that naive from your other posts.

I personally know lots of trans girls and trans boys. That's what they're like in real life - just kids getting on with their day and most other kids aren't bothered.

Why are we engaging?

@continuallyconflating

Did you know that doctors profit from people being unwell?

Are you an American?
Because (in general, for the moment), that's not how it works in UK.
The majority of Doctors in the UK do not make "profit" on their work. They earn a salary.

The situation being referred to is one where a privatised health care model (which the American health care industry is desperate to export here) needlessly medicalises a proportion of the population based on "this is not a debate" and questionable science. (You're aware of John Money surely?)

There are no private doctors in the UK? Who knew?

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

That may be. Your posting is homophobic and misogynistic.

You need to show your working out.

Yeah there's no equivalence. One's female, the other isn't.

@Helleofabore

I'm (obviously) comparing discomfort at the presence of a trans girl to discomfort at the presence of a lesbian girl.

to use this equivalence is homophobic, you do realise that.

It's isn't - they are naturally equivalent. To suggest otherwise is transphobic.

Well apparently not as you can hurl "Transphobic " around without qualifying it.

But hey, I can see you are doing sterling work changing hearts and minds here so I won't keep you.

Take care x

Put your pitchfork down - I'm (obviously) comparing discomfort at the presence of a trans girl to discomfort at the presence of a lesbian girl.

Why is one girl's discomfort important and the other girl's not important? Don't you care about all girls?

OP Can you please explain why you keep bringing lesbians into the discussion? What's the relevance?

I'm a woman in my fifties and I haven't once felt threatened by 'the presence of a lesbian' in a private space I'm in. I don't know any woman who has.

I don't know your circumstances or if you've said on this thread or any others whether you're a man or a woman or a transman or transwoman or if you're non-binary. Perhaps it would help us all to understand where you're coming from, if you're willing to explain.

It's isn't - they are naturally equivalent. To suggest otherwise is transphobic.

No. One is females amongst females. The other is a male amongst females.

Still waiting for your thoughts @shizuku on Muslim girls being unable to share spaces with trans girls/women as they need a single-sex space. Nothing to do with gender at all.

What do you think they should do? You're keen to use this video as evidence that all girls should be fine sharing a space with trans girls, but what about other vulnerable groups with specific needs?

There are no private doctors in the UK?

The majority of Doctors in the UK

You're not discussing this in good faith are you?

Another homophobic op. MN could do with cracking down on the homophobia.

Ok, let's examine this equivalence between transgirls and lesbians.

Two people. One male, one female. Are they the same sex? No, they are not. In a space reserved for female people, put these two, one male, one female. On entry to a space reserved for females, are these two people - one male one female - equivalent? No, they are not. Because one is male and one is female.

There. Done.

"Lesbians are naturally equivalent to trans women."

ROFLMHO

Well apart from the meat and two veg. Obvs

There are no private doctors in the UK?

The better argument would have been:
"What about stuff their mouths with gold?"
But seeing as most TRA's seem to be historically illiterate, that's probably gone over your head

YetAnotherSpartacus-
^Genuinely curious. Horses to me are big things best ket away from.
Do neutered male and female horses differ in behaviour and temperament? I assume they do in strength?^

Most male leisure/riding horses you encounter are gelded young, and unless you've worked in a stud farm or in flat racing (where they're kept "entire" because of the potential stud value; the world's most expensive sire's fee is "private" but rumoured to be well above £250k EUR a shag) many horsey people may not have met a stalliion in the flesh. They are indeed very different in temperament (not inherently difficult, but very alert), and in physique (develop a muscly "crest" to the neck).

Mares are not neutered the way female cats are spayed. In horseracing there is a weight allowance for fillies/mares (also depends on age for both sexes) in Group (top level) races which is meant to reflect their slightly lighter frame.

To bring the thread back on track slightly, I urge people to look up the story of Pat Smythe; the first woman to win an Olympic showjumping medal in the first games where they reluctantly allowed women to compete. Of course she should have just identified as a man in order to make the team!

I can't quite get my head around the idea that I'm seriously having to assert the fact that lesbians are female and not male. Are you ok OP? Only this is 1970s level homophobia that I really didn't think existed any more.