What's it really like for girls when one of their classmates is trans? A short film.

[Shizuku]

@Sstrongtn

That endocrine society link is a load of waffle isn’t it? Maybe, possibly, some small studies linked here.

I’ve scanned and searched the studies, you could boil that down to:

We all thought it was a MH condition.

We aren’t allowed to say that now so here are some not particularly robust studies showing some biological differences, that not all trans, or non trans people fit, oh and that actually could have been caused by early socialisation.

So we can say that we obviously don’t think it a MH issue now. Oh and we say this because we are in the USA and let’s talk about insurance and why they should cover it so we can make lots of lovely $$$ mitigating children in the name of progress.

I love your conspiracy theories.

Did you know that doctors profit from people being unwell? Maybe they are making everyone ill just line their pockets!!!

Comparing homosexual females to males. How homophobic.

@Coffeeandcocopops

I have never felt uncomfortable getting changed with lesbians. I know they couldn't rape me.

And the girls in the film aren't uncomfortable changing with a trans girl are they?

Besides, isn't the GC theory that trans girls are just gay boys and puberty blockers make you unable to have sex? In which case, there's nothing to worry about is there?

I do think ErrolTheDragon is entirely right to remind us of Lysenko!

Lysenko is a great history lesson and we would all do very well to remember it.

And to also bring up that it took France how many decades to acknowledge the damage done to children and teens after they listened to certain intellectual factions about allowing boundaries to be lowered? Only now are those children beginning to speak about the harms that were done to them in the name of progress....

And while remembering that, let's remember the person who is considered one of the major influences in this current ideology and their part in that safeguarding disaster.

Maybe OP can tell us why Foucault and gender theory should be given as much power considering their part in what has happened in France around consent and age and just who holds the power dynamic....

And how it is relevant to

"So who could object? Perhaps some younger girl, but what could she do? Nothing”

A statement that shows exactly how the power dynamic is viewed by a group trying to over ride safeguarding boundaries. I am sure the person who spoke it may not have understood what they were saying. They were young. However, it is illustrative of the many, many times we have seen this sentiment expressed.

That it was said by such a young person, is exactly why it is so chilling.

girls in the film who are not trans (if only we had a word for that)

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Girls. Girls is the word for them.

@GCITC

Comparing homosexual females to males. How homophobic.

Put your pitchfork down - I'm (obviously) comparing discomfort at the presence of a trans girl to discomfort at the presence of a lesbian girl.

Why is one girl's discomfort important and the other girl's not important? Don't you care about all girls?

• And you know how girls tend to play with Barbie dolls more than boys?

And you know how trans girls see other girls as their peer group?*

How come there's never any trans girls or women that play with dinosaurs and cars and like play fighting/alien games/snot and fart jokes/playing in mud and climbing trees?

Girls do those things too. A lot.

Except we know from the vidio that some girls were uncomfortable and "what could they do, nothing"

That kind of the problem

What is your solution for straight girls who are uncomfortable sharing changing rooms with lesbian girls?

This isn't a problem. It's not even a plausible gotcha.

It's honestly hilarious to watch the levels of science denial that goes on in these boards.

How about actually critiquing the points I raised about the "science" you linked rather than some meta comment?

I went and read the actual research papers relied upon for that position piece, and the "science" does not back the assertions made,

And actually, your supposed conversation is more or less exactly what my supervisor says when I try and pass shonky sources by her
But I'd guess you don't actually have a background in post graduate evidence based research do you?

Besides, isn't the GC theory that trans girls are just gay boys and puberty blockers make you unable to have sex?

Is this... Is this what you think the "GC theory" is?
Oh, OP.

exactly Forever

the thread title should be

"What's it really like for girls when one of their classmates is trans? who the hell cares amirite because they're only girls after all and even if they did complain they'd be told they were bigots and to beeeekkiiinnndd"

Why is one girl's discomfort important and the other girl's not important? Don't you care about all girls?
Such blatent goadiness, when logic fails

Yes, comparing homosexual females with males.

The two are not comparable.

Comparing black women with trans women - racist.

Comparing lesbians with trans women - homophobic.

isn't the GC theory that trans girls are just gay boys

No.

You are assuming that all trans boys are taking hormones. Most dont. And they retain the male bits.

Did you ask the girls if they happy with the situation. Privately so that they didn’t feel pressurised to a false answer. I wouldn’t be happy and not would any young girls I know.

What is your solution for straight girls who are uncomfortable sharing changing rooms with lesbian girls?

I would explain that women, regardless of sexuality, are not a potential threat to other women in the same way that someone with a penis is. I would then suggest they look up the types of crimes men and women are imprisoned for in this country, and to look for examples of lesbian assaults on straight women, compared to the number of attacks by males upon females.

Why are we talking about lesbians? Lesbians are female. By definition.

OP your more recent posts are highlighting that you're using this video as a means to come to FWR and pretend you have genuine intentions.

You haven't. Your being misogynistic and homophobic. On a feminism board.

@RosyPrimroseDoll

* And you know how girls tend to play with Barbie dolls more than boys?

And you know how trans girls see other girls as their peer group?*

How come there's never any trans girls or women that play with dinosaurs and cars and like play fighting/alien games/snot and fart jokes/playing in mud and climbing trees?

Girls do those things too. A lot.

Seriously, I have to post this again?

www.newsweek.com/transgender-kids-living-identity-develop-cis-children-1471729

A trans girl and a lesbian.
Only one of them is a woman hence another girl won't feel uncomfortable around them undressed.

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

OP your more recent posts are highlighting that you're using this video as a means to come to FWR and pretend you have genuine intentions.

You haven't. Your being misogynistic and homophobic. On a feminism board.

I'm a lesbian and a feminist.

Actually @Shizuku the pharmaceutical companies in the USA are very well know for “creating” profit. Take Herpes for example, a total non issue 80% asymptomatic, until a wonderful discovery of anti virals. Q large scale fear advertising campaigns to create a market for the drug NOT to create a drug to fix something that was an actual problem.

Why do you think we have managed a COVID vaccine so fast hit never found one for the common cold? Focus and profit.

Why don’t we test for Group B Strep in the U.K. despite it being one of the biggest baby killers? They do in the USA. For one reason, in the U.K. the risk Vs cost calculation says no (NICE). Because we don’t profit from healthcare.

In the USA the opposite calculation applies.

So yes a society focused on a very profitable lucrative hormone drugs that trans growth would help cannot be seen as unbiased. It’s like the vegan society saying the science says balance of diet.

Some small studies probably back it up, there will be an equal number that don’t. Science is malleable and everything is a theory. It doesn’t make your link irrefutable proof and it isn’t a conspiracy.

And the girls in the film aren't uncomfortable changing with a trans girl are they?

Do you really believe that this was a video that wasn't staged in any way, shape or form?

Do you have any knowledge of how marketing plays into real life at all?

It is just so surprising to think that this video is being shown as evidence of anything except a film that celebrates a child's transition.

Do you honestly think that, Susan Koenen, sought to produce a balanced documentary? That there any girls who had expressed concern would ever have been included? To be forever targeted for being transphobic if they did? To be shunned by everyone at school?

Why do you think that would have been acceptable to the audience at the time either?

This narrative you continue to follow that there were NO girls on that video expressed concern is at best very naive. It continues to be harmful to women and children too as it leads them to understand that if they have concerns, they are hateful.

I am not convinced that you are that naive from your other posts.