What's wrong with 'Cisgender'

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As someone who identifies as a cisgender woman and works in sexual health, I am honestly confused as to why so many females (sex term) who identify with being women (gender term) dislike the term Cisgender?

Now I'm not here to tell you what to say, I am genuinely curious.

However, here is my opinion for those who may be interested.

Cisgender just means you are not transgender. That your sex links you your gender and you assign any gender terms (ie. Pronouns, Gender identity, sometimes gender expression but not always, etc). I personally don't like to think that just because I was born with a vagina means I am a woman because I know many men with vaginas and women with penises. Additionally those who don't have a gender identity, then that would mean you wouldn't use women and men as they're gender terms (according to medical professionals). It would make you non binary or agender.

I understand that the term 'Cis' has been used to insult others which for that I am sorry.
My view is that if you can't allow trans women to be accepted in society and identified as women (without the need for 'trans' infront of it constantly) then we should be using cisgender. It is a medical term that professionals such as the NHS recognize. But I understand that is just my opinion.

I probably won't be commenting as I can imagine this will be filled with comments and I don't want to disrespect anyone's views. Just a cisgender woman who wants to understand more...

And as always I would appreciate if you respect my view as I'm going to be respecting all of yours.

I am a woman, an adult human female.
I need no other descriptor and find the term "cis" deeply offensive.

Why are people bothered about me calling myself a woman?

What difference does it make to them?

Seems like everyone can identify themselves however they want...except for women identifying as women.

I don’t like cis because it implies I choose to be seen as or thought of as a woman. I don’t, I just am a woman because I was born a girl abs I grew up. I don’t agree with gender as a concept, so I don’t identify as any gender. I just am what I was born as.

Sometimes I don’t like aspects of being a woman - pregnancy scares, periods etc and sometimes I do things that some see as “man” things - have short hair, watch football. None of this changes whether I’m a woman or not.

i respect your right to call yourself cis.

can you respect mine to call myself woman?

Cisgender just means you are not transgender.

So binary!

It's a daft made-up word. There are enough words in the lexicon to cover both sexes, and any kind of sexual orientation or gender type that anyone could be described as.

Because woman and female is the default for the great majority.
Why would we define ourselves as the "NotTinyMinority"

Similarly, we don't go around defining ourselves as "NotMen" (although many men seemingly would like that!)

I am a woman.

I am not a subset of woman.

I do not have a gender and find it absolutely fascinating that to misgender a trans person is "literal violence" but to misgender me is absolutely fine. It's just unbelievably hypocritical for you to come on here and tell women what they should call themselves. I'll decide that for myself thanks.

It is a medical term that professionals such as the NHS recognize

Er, no it isn't. I'm and NHS HCP and I have never, ever heard any woman referred to as cis.

I used to have no issue with cisgender as I thought it meant not trans.

Then I read it meant 'your birth sex and birth gender are aligned' (possibly using slightly wrong terminology but hopefully you know what I mean). And I have spent much of my adult life fighting against the stereotypes that are aligned with my birth sex, and there's not much obvious I do or act that aligns with the female gender though I'm definitely not trans or cis-gender, and I don't even come across as gender non-conforming. I just mostly wear jeans and trainers and don't wear makeup, work in a role thats more traditionally male etc etc.

I actually think it would be helpful to have a non-contentious word that just means not trans, though I don't know if that view is widely shared. Equally I'm not sure why using 'biological woman' or something similar is problematic but it seems to be.

I was born female and I identify as female. I am a woman. If you are born male and identify as a woman, you are transgender. Don't make me change what I call myself.

Oh, a new thread. Weren't we just discussing this same issue in your previous thread?

We cant say 'transwomen' because the 'trans' part is discriminatory - transwomen = women after all.
But we still need a term to differentiate, because transwomen have different experiences, bodies and discrimination. So we accept transwomen are simply called women and therefore a new term needs to be thought up for actual women because we need a differentiator. So transwomen become women and natal women become Cis.
Can you not see how backwardly thinking bonkers this is OP??

I am a woman

I am not a subset of woman.

This with bells on. Cis is offensive.

Nope I'm a woman. Call yourself what you like but that's my sex and gender.

Additionally those who don't have a gender identity, then that would mean you wouldn't use women and men as they're gender terms (according to medical professionals). It would make you non binary or agender.

I would use woman as it’s a biological term (according to the dictionary & also medical professionals). If you wish to label me as trans because I have no gender identity so be it. I’m a trans woman by your definition.

why so many females (sex term) who identify with being women (gender term) dislike the term Cisgender?

Here is your mistake, you assume women identify with gender. Not all do.

You're pro TWAW, and therefore I'm assuming (apologies if I'm wrong of course) you understand the importance of labels and their impact on ones sense of identity. You very clearly empathise with the use of "correct" labels when it comes to transwomen, so why is it so hard for you to empathise with women (adult human females - female as in the sex for clarity) that their labels are important to them too?

In answer to your question, I find it offensive as it implies that natal born women (adult human females) are some how a sub category of women, when in fact it is transwomen who are the sub category and need further definition as they were not born female.

I am a woman, ie an adult human female. The term 'cis' implies that I am part of a sub-set of women. I don't accept there is a sub-set because all women are adult human females.

Nope, not recognised by the NHS. If you want to identify as 'cisgender' that's up to you, but do not label other people without asking them. I do not have a gender identity. Telling me 'not trans = cis' is like saying 'not Catholic = Protestant'. You have no right to tell me I have to 'identify' as a 'gender' just as you have no right to demand that I align myself to a religion or political viewpoint. I find the term 'cis' to be very 'othering' & it triggers my fear of professional cancellation.

Also I disagree with the use of the term CIS as it implies that you buy into the belief that your sex is ASSIGNED at birth. I disagree with this ideology and phrasing. Sex is OBSERVED AND RECORDED at birth, the doctor or nurse does not just make it up on a whim