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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What's wrong with 'Cisgender'

999 replies

ASugar · 04/03/2021 15:49

As someone who identifies as a cisgender woman and works in sexual health, I am honestly confused as to why so many females (sex term) who identify with being women (gender term) dislike the term Cisgender?

Now I'm not here to tell you what to say, I am genuinely curious.

However, here is my opinion for those who may be interested.

Cisgender just means you are not transgender. That your sex links you your gender and you assign any gender terms (ie. Pronouns, Gender identity, sometimes gender expression but not always, etc). I personally don't like to think that just because I was born with a vagina means I am a woman because I know many men with vaginas and women with penises. Additionally those who don't have a gender identity, then that would mean you wouldn't use women and men as they're gender terms (according to medical professionals). It would make you non binary or agender.

I understand that the term 'Cis' has been used to insult others which for that I am sorry.
My view is that if you can't allow trans women to be accepted in society and identified as women (without the need for 'trans' infront of it constantly) then we should be using cisgender. It is a medical term that professionals such as the NHS recognize. But I understand that is just my opinion.

I probably won't be commenting as I can imagine this will be filled with comments and I don't want to disrespect anyone's views. Just a cisgender woman who wants to understand more...

And as always I would appreciate if you respect my view as I'm going to be respecting all of yours.

OP posts:
BaseDrops · 04/03/2021 22:49

I respect your right to believe in gender identity in the same way as I respect anyone’s right to believe in the deity of their choice.

I’m not going to define myself or follow rules of belief systems that I don’t believe in.

Respect should go in both directions.

I don’t harass theists to try and convert them to non-belief. But if I or other women were being impacted by their beliefs impacting law and practice I would push back. Repeal the 8th is an example of that. No FGM is another. Protecting autistic children from permanent bodily modification is another.

Individually we can think and believe what we want. But as a society we have to navigate the countering opinions/beliefs in a way which protects and considers everyone. Sometimes that means one lot don’t get everything they believe they want and need because the cost to another lot is too high. That’s where we are now.

Redwinestillfine · 04/03/2021 22:52

Some people find the term offensive. If women find the term offensive then why use it?

Impatiens · 04/03/2021 22:55

What's going on?? Practically every other post is being deleted! Confused

Winesalot · 04/03/2021 22:57

Impatiens

I believe we may still be in experiment conditions so to speak.

Impatiens · 04/03/2021 22:59

I see @Winesalot - it just looks a bit mad on a thread that's ending.

And they didn't delete the only post I reported, likening GC ideas to racism. ffs. Angry

Liquorishtoffee · 04/03/2021 23:01

Of this is an experiment, where is the control group?

TooManyMiles · 04/03/2021 23:06

@CharlieParlie
Thank you for your brilliant explanation about how the term ‘vis’ came about, what it meant then, and how it has come to be used.

I had no idea before apart from instinctively hating it.

lucie8881 · 04/03/2021 23:07

I'm still unsure who is allowed to use the term woman with no prefixes???

Or is it not to be used for fear of being misunderstood or exclusionary?

Impatiens · 04/03/2021 23:09

@Liquorishtoffee

Of this is an experiment, where is the control group?
Think this is more like a Stanford Prison type experiment where FWR are the 'inmates' and twitter TRA are the 'guards' and told they can do whatever they like..
SD1978 · 04/03/2021 23:11

Because I don't like the term. However as an adult human female, I'm not permitted to dislike a term coined by others. So I am expected to use and accept terminology used by a minority, however I am not afforded the same right. Much like any of the other rights which have been eroded because I should as a woman, shut up and put up.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 04/03/2021 23:14

Think this is more like a Stanford Prison type experiment where FWR are the 'inmates' and twitter TRA are the 'guards' and told they can do whatever they like..

Nailed it.

Sillyduckseverywhere · 04/03/2021 23:15

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PotholeParadies · 04/03/2021 23:18

Yikes. I very much hope none of her online twitter circle know her address. This could turn into a repeat of the hounding of Gothick.

prrrtnyao · 04/03/2021 23:20

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Impatiens · 04/03/2021 23:21

Feel a bit sorry for AS actually, seems like a very fragile person.

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/03/2021 23:24

@lifeturnsonadime

I think someone wanted to raise their twitter profile. That tweet only has three likes.
That seems the most likely explanation for these astonishing threads.
Winesalot · 04/03/2021 23:27

Impatiens

Yet they are now stating untrue facts about me on the other place. I was going to agree with you til I saw that. HmmHmm

Mockolate · 04/03/2021 23:28

Yikes. I very much hope none of her online twitter circle know her address

Not sure what that's supposed to mean?
Sounds like a hint towards people doxxing her or insinuating at people doxxing - how do you get there if so, anyone who is for trans rights must automatically be assumed to be dodgy enough to dox!.

SorryAuntLydia · 04/03/2021 23:35

Well I think op should cancel the cheque

SorryAuntLydia · 04/03/2021 23:36

Or try penguin bollards

Impatiens · 04/03/2021 23:36

Winesalot that's shit. If she's got something to say to you she should say it here.

Still think she's fragile tho.

SorryAuntLydia · 04/03/2021 23:37

Does anyone know where I can get some naice ham?

SheldonesqueIsUnwell · 04/03/2021 23:37

Cutted up pear.

SorryAuntLydia · 04/03/2021 23:38

Make sure no one mentions penis beakers shhh