Do you watch porn?

[RadandMad]

I've been reading a convo on Twitter where several people are claiming - including a woman - that women watch porn as well as men. My first reaction is, this isn't true. Sure, I've watched it from time to time, usually in the company of men, but it's so boring, so divorced from real sex/real bodies, that I'd almost rather do anything else.

Am I wrong? I realise I'm asking a group of women who are probably going to have a more cynical view of pornography, but I'm having a hard time believing women have a porn habit even remotely comparable to men's.

The "but your iPhone/clothes/shoes were probably made by an exploited child in the 3rd world so hah" argument never paints the proponent in an especially good light.

Because, apart from it being completely illogical (why would doing one wrong thing justify doing another), what it's usually telling you is "I found out about battery farming and, I know, so sad... But I love bacon lol" or "I found out that Primark uses sweatshops... But it's a really nice dress... Oh fuck it, at least those little kids have jobs" and it's assuming that everyone else is as selfish as they are.

Yes, in the modern world, in a Western consumerist society, it would be near impossible to not own or consume anything which was produced with exploitation. But you can certainly reduce it. And someone who, say, doesn't buy fast fashion but doesn't recycle is still doing more than someone who buys lots of fast fashion, despite knowing the working conditions which produced it, and also doesn't recycle. I don't know why the pervading way of thinking means that so many people's reaction to that scenario is to mock the first person for trying to do something good and yet failing to be perfect, rather than considering if they themselves could do something more.

But with amateur poem, the participants may have consented at the time but how do you know they consented to the video going online?
Revenge porm is a problem.

For those of you who do watch porn, ask yourselves (don't answer me or anyone here on MN, answer yourself with honesty): Are you part of the problem? Are you feeding the beast?

Read it and weep:

"Pornhub prides itself on being the cheery, winking face of naughty, the website that buys a billboard in Times Square and provides snow plows to clear Boston streets. It donates to organizations fighting for racial equality and offers steamy content free to get people through Covid-19 shutdowns.
That supposedly “wholesome Pornhub” attracts 3.5 billion visits a month, more than Netflix, Yahoo or Amazon. Pornhub rakes in money from almost three billion ad impressions a day. One ranking lists Pornhub as the 10th-most-visited website in the world.
Yet there’s another side of the company: Its site is infested with rape videos. It monetizes child rapes, revenge pornography, spycam videos of women showering, racist and misogynist content, and footage of women being asphyxiated in plastic bags. A search for “girls under18” (no space) or “14yo” leads in each case to more than 100,000 videos. Most aren’t of children being assaulted, but too many are.

After a 15-year-old girl went missing in Florida, her mother found her on Pornhub — in 58 sex videos. Sexual assaults on a 14-year-old California girl were posted on Pornhub and were reported to the authorities not by the company but by a classmate who saw the videos. In each case, offenders were arrested for the assaults, but Pornhub escaped responsibility for sharing the videos and profiting from them."

I'll repeat that for the morally blind and deaf: "Pornhub escaped responsibility for sharing the videos and profiting from them."

But ,TheVanguardSix

Don't you understand- it's not real life and I only watch young men and amateur porn - I'm not to blame etc. etc ad nausuem

Brilliant post btw .

I'll repeat that for the morally blind and deaf: "Pornhub escaped responsibility for sharing the videos and profiting from them."

Yeah, but you get to live your fantasy of being brutalised by 30 men vicariously through a woman you don’t give a shit about. Brilliant.

And you know, what about battery hens or something.

🙄

The assumption that amateur porn is consensual, not coerced and definitely never shared without a participant’s knowledge would be hilarious if it weren’t so disturbing.

Amateur porn? Is that like saying you don’t subscribe - pay pornhub for their professional porn as you rather support amateur free stuff.

The only amateur or professional porn that I don’t judge you for is whatever you do between consenting adults in your own bedroom and keep private.

If any of you can read @TheVanguardSix post and still think "oh you're patronising women, and jealous because they live in mansions and are more attractive than you", then have a good look at yourself. We are against porn because it harms people.

@Menual

Yes. Though to be honest I mostly read the darker type of romances because I have certain kinks and the porn that caters to those kinks is probably the worst out of the bunch.

So I read (and write it) bc I know nobody's getting harmed that way.

Yes, same.

Amateur porn? Is that like saying you don’t subscribe - pay pornhub for their professional porn as you rather support amateur free stuff.

SqeakyHindge You know PornHub hosts the porn rather than makes it, right?

That you can watch professional porn without subscribing?

And that quite a bit of amateur porn is behind the paywall subscription too?

@emilyfrost

Amateur porn? Is that like saying you don’t subscribe - pay pornhub for their professional porn as you rather support amateur free stuff.

SqeakyHindge You know PornHub hosts the porn rather than makes it, right?

That you can watch professional porn without subscribing?

And that quite a bit of amateur porn is behind the paywall subscription too?

You know there was a big campaign around pornhub right?

You know pornhub hosted horrific stuff right? They didn’t care if stuff they hosted was consented, abuse or the age. Do you think pornhub willing changed there ‘ethics’

I don’t know material they now host, what I do know is that I couldn’t do what those on front line do to fight against porn and that is having to view it. I don’t doubt that disturbing stuff have seen or heard about is nothing to what is out there.

Honestly I’m never going to be ok with porn don’t care where or who hosts it, I am going to judge those who watch it to get there socks off. Porn does cause harm porn does influence.

There are billions of true stories but I am using Ana Kriegel name because her name got known around the world because of age of brutal murders, otherwise she be another statistic.

Journalists writes about the whole case from start, porn didn’t kill Ana but she was brutally murdered in way that was influenced from porn.

Why I also use Ana is because the journalist gives Ana a voice. You get to see Ana as young girl she was and the awful horrific murdered that ended her life.

Would Ana still be alive today if no porn, who knows what goes on in her killers heads but one thing is for sure Ana by the killers like how many viewed/treat women in porn.

Like said Ana story came to light because age of killers.

Learn who Ana was and could of been

traffickinghub.com/

This is a group of people working against some of the harms of Pornhub specifically, if anyone is interested.

There seems to be a very heavy focus on Pornhub specifically in the last few posts. Thankfully I don't use that particular platform.

This is a group of people working against some of the harms of Pornhub specifically, if anyone is interested.

Link didn't work, but I am interested.

All porn use perpetuates the sex industry, which as a whole is very damaging to people. Whether an individual uses porn hub specifically is irrelevant, as consumption of porn in general is supporting an industry that trafficks and abuses people on a massive scale (particularly women and girls). Why people are so desperate to defend their porn use is beyond me.

Honestly I’m never going to be ok with porn don’t care where or who hosts it, I am going to judge those who watch it to get there socks off. Porn does cause harm porn does influence.

This 100%. And if people want to defend it so vehemently maybe it's because they know it's wrong but won't admit that to themselves.

Oh sorry not sure why the link doesn't work - it can be found on a search engine.

Pornhub is one of the platforms and is spoken about so much because it is such a major player. My issues are with the porn industry generally though.

@TonightMatthew

Oh sorry not sure why the link doesn't work - it can be found on a search engine.

Pornhub is one of the platforms and is spoken about so much because it is such a major player. My issues are with the porn industry generally though.

The link works for me

TonightMatthew

No worries it's maybe because I'm on the app, links rarely work for me on here. I'll check the desktop site later.

Porn use perpetuates more porn use. I’ve never used porn so I don’t need it, those that do and defend it despite the glaring issues obviously have a need for it, which obviously they wouldn’t have if they’d never used it. Which is why it’s such a concern that so many are now seeing it so young.

No. Although I read erotica which some people think is exactly the same thing. (I know a woman who writes erotica, she's much safer sitting in her Welsh cottage with her cats than the women who have the dubious honour of being 'porn stars' are.)

SapphireSeptember I’m not aware of anyone who thinks written erotica is the same as visual porn, and that’s certainly not a view expressed anywhere on this thread so far as I can see. No one is exploited in the creation of erotica, and putting images to it is left to the reader’s imagination so I’m not seeing how they’re analogous.

Intelligent people don't see porn and erotica as the same thing, surely...

No.

I have 3 daughters.

I worked as a social worker so know the lives these poor exploited women lead. Those deluded people who refuse to believe that need to look at their consciences.

@OnlyTheLangoftheTitBerg It was something I read in a comments section on Facebook the other day. But a few people were making comments about the different types of porn and equating written and audio (I assume audio books) 'porn' with videos/images and OnlyFans, which I didn't feel the need to pass comment on, I just thought it was stupid. I wasn't referring to this thread, I don't think anyone with an ounce of common sense would think they're the same. I should probably have made that clearer.

Thanks for posting link TonightMatthew

Laila Mickelwait has been leading the way in fight against pornhub, for those at the back its not just pornhub nor is it just about porn material)

Haven't mentioned any feminist names because the porn watchers will just see them as angry women that just want to ruin their fun. I also not as knowledgeable as women in FWR

There are even those in the adult industry who are backing Laila as well as many people who lives have been affected by porn.

Just recently read another real life story, its impossible to give an number of how many lives porn has negatively impacted but it would be more than those in any study of yes sayers.

This woman was 17 at the time of 'amateur' porn was made, a man recognised her from 'amateur' videos where she looked liked enjoyed it all the things done to her, in his eyes she was fair game, to live out his fantasies. After he finished raping her she was let go. Who knows how many women that man has raped.

This woman doesn't know where her 'amateur' porn or pictures are, they were not done with her consent, she was raped. These are not isolated cases.

So not only do I judge you porn watches I also look at you as being part responsible for everyone that is harmed by porn. Those of you trying to excuse and continue to justify porn that your conscious no amount of counting 'yes' in this thread is ever going to make it ok or validate you.

As a parent I am furious? (unable to explain eloquently how I feel) that have to discuss issue with my young son because of the crap learns from school playground, its not just porn kids learn from but games where abusing girls and women is 'fun'.

I'm not worried about the kid who told my son (and not just my son) that his dad going to tie me up, gag me and slice me up slicing me up was latest thing to what this kid already going to do, I'm not worried for my son, I am frighten for the girls. This kid isn't even in secondary school yet.

I liked to know from the porn watchers with kids, how are you teaching your kids about porn or you letting them just crack on with it and discover themselves.

Porn didn't make my ex violent or abusive apparently that was just me being me but only time held a knife to my throat whilst had our daughter in my arms was when I found his porn tape.