How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

[hallouminatus]

On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

On a more anecdotal level, shall I ask my very elderly MIL if she identifies as a cis female? Could be a more interesting conversation than the repeated one about whether the cat is allowed on the table/sofa/sideboard at least.

To be ‘c*s’ you have to have a gender that is described as fitting a certain way of thinking.

How offensive is that? That I muat be in a box so someone with some ethereal essence can be free? Fuck off with that.

Exactly who benefits from destabilizing society? I think what is currently unfolding in France is a shocking hard lesson to learn about the basis for this ideology and exactly who suffers the most from destabilization in this way.

So, for all who are happy to use it, please tell me exactly who benefits from its use? and who suffers ultimately from its use?

The implication of cis is that you are happy with the stereotypes associated with your sex. I'm really not. I would imagine many women are not.

If it's about gender and not sex then I think we should get to identify however we like and drop the cis if it doesn't sit right. Otherwise it's only the people under the trans umbrella who get to identify with their true selves and the boring rest of us have to identify as non trans and lump it.

I don’t and find it insulting. Way back when I needed fertility treatment to build my family, it was fairly common for the sub fertile to describe those who could reproduce unassisted as “Breeders”. To my mind always rude and jarring.
I don’t believe anyone can change the sex they are born. I am very happy for anyone to wear whatever they like (unless intimidating) and to work or have the hobbies they like (unless intimidating), but I don’t think clothes and behaviour are what makes someone male or female.
Being called transphobic is as annoying as the cis thing.

Do I identify as a woman, who's not a man, who identifies as a woman? No. I'd rather keep it simple.

Thats a hard no from me. Who would want to identify with oppressive cultural stereotypes expected of females?

No. Absolutely not cis gender. I am a woman.

Nope

I'm natural born woman

God no. Creepy woke terminology. I don't describe myself as that.

It’s made up nonsense. Of course most people don’t identify as a made up nonsense term.

Most people don’t ‘identify’ as anything. They just are the sex they are.

I 'identify' as a woman because I was born female. I grew up wearing tracksuits and my brother's hand-me-downs. I liked my hair boyish, I played with cars and watched wrestling on TV, games consoles were my hobby. I joined the army, became a teakwondo instructor in my free time, watched action movies. I never confirmed to a bullshit gender stereotype. I am a woman simply because I was born female.

@Labobo

I don't. It gives me the creeps that some tiny sector of society has decided that they have the right to redefine what I am and get angry if I don't conform. I am a woman.

This is perfect...... female or woman and no other shit description that some prat has thought up

I'm a woman, I wouldn't be happy if anyone called me or expected me to call myself anything else. I wonder how many men would be happy to use it?

@Yebanksandbraes

Yes, I am cisgender. I have no problem being described as such, it is an accurate representation of who I am.

Can I ask why 'woman' wouldnt describe you accurately? Unless you are a man of course.

I find the term offensive

Most people don't obsess over gender full stop

Many thanks to everyone who has posted answers, in in particular to Eresh for pointing out the AIBU poll (which I really should have been able to find for myself).
Although the responses here and in that poll may not be strictly representative , I do feel that my original contention has been vindicated.

i identify as a woman because I was born with a vagina.

Nope, me neither.
Ask this person if they've any evidence that many people even think in terms of 'identifying' as anything at all, rather than just getting on being themselves.

An AIBU poll could be interesting.
If the AIBU proposition is "Most women don't identify as cisgender" then the voting guide is:
If you identify as cisgender, vote YABU , clearly
But otherwise:
If you don't know what 'identify as cisgender' means, or don't care, then it's obviously not something you do so YANBU
If you identify as something other than cisgender eg Nonbinary or trans, then YANBU.
If you have objections to the whole concept of 'identifying' into a 'gender' then YANBU.

It confuses me. If cis is being the gender that aligns with your birth sex, what if you don’t believe in gender at all? Does that make you trans under this definition? If gender is performative and presentation, what if you’re female born but don’t adhere to the stereotypes?

I am female
Born.

Oops pressed send to soon.
I am female born but I don’t feel like a woman. I am because that’s my biology. I don’t perform or present feminine which seems to be a prerequisite of CIs.

It seems like utter bullshit

Who actually sits down and makes up these words..wtf is this new stupid term, I am a woman,I may like tool making and keeping my hair short and partaking in sports that have were mainly seen as "manly". But there is no one word to describe the above,I am just a woman with whatever tastes,likes and dislikes,I don't identify as a woman because I bloody am one..this whole debate about gender is boring,why do people feel they need a name and fit in a box, u are either a man or a woman with endless possibles traits and interests but it can't change who you are ffs 🤦‍♀️

I don't identify as anything. I am a woman, a biological female. Being described as via would really, really piss me off.

Cis

I find it insulting personally

Errol,
Eresh linked to this poll, which is similar to your suggestion, and has had thousands of votes. It is still open for more!
httpss://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4158457-To-think-that-the-vast-majority-of-people-do-not-feel-they-have-a-gender-identity