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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

485 replies

hallouminatus · 17/02/2021 21:02

On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

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DontFuckItUp · 17/02/2021 21:28

I was born female and identify as a woman. So a woman. Not a CIS woman, that term would offend me.

HollowTalk · 17/02/2021 21:30

@Biscuitsanddoombar

Nope! I’m not a subset of woman because there’s only way to be a woman and that’s to be born a human female
That's exactly how I feel.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/02/2021 21:31

Someone has asked me for evidence of this.

You could start a poll in AIBU? Or use the results of the recent one "AIBU that most people don't feel they have a gender identity" which out of 2600 odd votes was 91% YANBU.

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4158457-To-think-that-the-vast-majority-of-people-do-not-feel-they-have-a-gender-identity

Cuntysnark · 17/02/2021 21:31

Biscuitsanddoombar Agree. I’m a no.

Weedsnseeds1 · 17/02/2021 21:32

Cis and trans describe the locations of hydrogen atoms relative to a double bond between carbon atoms to me.
I'm female.

LunaHeather · 17/02/2021 21:34

@WhoWants2Know

I certainly do not identify as cisgender because gender is bullshit. I am a biological female.
Same for me.
Shakirasma · 17/02/2021 21:34

I identify as Shakirasma
I happen to be born a biological female.
Woman is the word best to describe me. Not Cisgender or Ciswoman. Just woman, thanks.

Thislittlefinger123 · 17/02/2021 21:34

Female or woman. I don't need any other description, thanks and would strongly object to anyone calling me cis.

THIS

I already have a category. I'm an adult human female. Anyone that is also an adult human female is part of my category. Anyone that is not can find their own category, but refrain from trying to relabel mine thanks.

Thislittlefinger123 · 17/02/2021 21:36

Ps I'm surprised someone on the other side of the debate was asking you for evidence, evidence isn't really something they want to get into is it, that could lead them on a dangerous road to facts, and, you know, science Grin

BobbinThreadbare123 · 17/02/2021 21:36

Cis and trans describe the position of Neptunian objects in our Solar system to me....

I don't subscribe to this regressive gender guff and I'm not some subset of woman. I just am one.

RaidersoftheLostAardvark · 17/02/2021 21:37

I find the entire concept of gender identity to be illogical and repressive. Personally I do not have a gender identity. This does not make me 'cisgendered'. I find the term 'cis' offensive and illogical. The entire concept of gender identity is mired in outdated stereotypes - it's impossible to discuss gender identity without referencing stereotypes.
For example - women don't work as nurses because of some inate womanly attraction to caring for the sick - it's because they were traditionally allowed to work as nurses, whilst being banned from training as doctors. Historically there were a pretty limited range of jobs women were allowed to do, so surprise surprise, those jobs are traditionally dominated by women (although not at the top end well paid levels - as those roles were reserved for men).
I'm female. I like some things that are stereotypically associated with women, some things which are stereotypically associated with men, and many things which don't neatly align to such stereotypes - cheese, the beach, wildlife photography, antiques - what does that make me? Answer - middleaged! My gender identity is the Antiques Roadshow.

FindTheTruth · 17/02/2021 21:39

10,000 like for this seminal clip "Julia: "If you say that I'm going to ask you to leave my studio."

gardenbird48 · 17/02/2021 21:42

nope.

I haven't got a 'gender', just a sex and I am not a subset of female I am just female. I find it an offensive concept as it relies on gender stereotypes which we left behind in the 70s but a number of people with an agenda are working hard to bring them back.

Souther · 17/02/2021 21:43

I'm not cis thank you very much and yes I would find it offensive if i was referred to as that and correct whomever said it.

OverByYer · 17/02/2021 21:44

I don’t identify as anything.
I am a woman. That is all.

Puddycatfan · 17/02/2021 21:49

I would be massively offended if someone referred to me as cisgender, and they would bloody know about it too!

MiddlesexGirl · 17/02/2021 21:52

Nope. Not cis here.
Woman ie. XX chromosomes. Usual body parts etc etc.

Elladisenchanted · 17/02/2021 21:54

I do not identify as 'cis'. Adult human female suits me nicely. And yes I would find cis massively disrespectful. You don't want me 'misgendering you?', fine, please return the favour and don't assign me with a 'gender', I have a sex thank you very much.

MichelleofzeResistance · 17/02/2021 21:55

I find this word extremely offensive. It implies that I associate with the gender stereotypes and voluntarily embrace the disadvantage that comes with my sex. I don't.

I also don't appreciate labels being applied to me that I didn't choose and don't agree with.

I also don't think it's a good thing for women to be relegated to a subset of their own sex.

This is a banned word on this forum under the guidelines because so many women find it offensive, although in the past few weeks it's been increasingly creeping in unchallenged. As we're deleted for the slightest hint of a transgression in language that a trans person may be offended by or find uncivil, it's reasonable to expect that women who find this form of language have their feelings equally respected. The same stringent standards should be equally applied.

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 17/02/2021 21:55

I'm not cis. I'm a woman. No other quantifier needed.

I find it offensive in the same way I'd be offended if DCs step mum referred to me as their birth/bio mum. I'm their mum. No other quantifier needed.

MrsWooster · 17/02/2021 21:56

No. I am not a subset of woman. Woman is all-encompassing of Adult Human Females.

hamstersarse · 17/02/2021 21:56

I don’t really get to identify with anything

I’m just a woman. Not much I can do about it

augustusglupe · 17/02/2021 21:57

I am a woman. I don't need to refer to myself as anything else. Why would I?

MrsBrunch · 17/02/2021 21:59

Gender, in the terms that they mean, relates to clothing, hairstyles, colours, toys, names, plastic surgery, synthetic hormones, mannerisms and behaviours. How can anyone 'identify' as those?

What you really need to do is ask them provide a definition of the words man, woman, gender and sex. Without using those 4 words.

They have so far failed to do that.