How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

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On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

I am not CIS and find it offensive to imply that I somehow agree with all the oppressions of gender imposed upon me, because I am a member of the sex associated with the production of large immotile gametes.

I don't need to "identify" as a woman, any more than I need to "identify" as species Homo sapiens or as 5'4" tall or a resident of planet Earth. You don't need to "identify" as things which just are.

I'm a woman. But my 25 year old son and his 24 year old wife are a cisman and ciswoman. Fortunately by 22 year old DD hasn't fallen for this nonsense (yet).

I'm not Cis anything. I refuse to have made up labels forced on me. I am a woman plain and simple.

@GoldenBlue

I very strongly do not identify as CIS gender and would feel insulted if called CIS.

I am not a subclass of women, alongside men. I am a woman. It does not need any qualifier

This. I'm a woman, I won't ever be using CIS in front of that.

I am a woman. No prefix necessary. I would correct anyone who described me as cis. I am not a subset of women, I am a woman.

I find the whole concept of gender identity a bit bizarre. Who comes up with these prescribed traits that make you 'womanly'? Not women I'm guessing. Why should I sign up to a (likely) male view of what makes someone a woman?

I was never a 'girly' girl, never into makeup/hair etc. I was described as a tomboy as a child and dressed 'like a boy' (cut all my hair off, refused to wear dresses) probably because I saw that boys got to do more fun stuff and didn't get labelled as 'bossy' or 'show off' when they had ideas and put them forward. I grew up in a world geared towards boys/men and I dealt with and reacted to that reality. Where does that fit into this prescribed view of what makes a woman?

We all have different quirks, traits and ways of reacting to the world we live in. Surely this is just what it is to be a sentient being.

I don't identify as anything, I am just me and I am a woman.

Even a passing glance at the gender stuff used in schools and online gender quizzes tells me that I cannot truthfully identify as ‘cis gender’.

I’d feel extremely silly identifying as trans on those grounds though, so where does that leave me? Is gender identity something people over 30 no longer have?

Is gender identity something people over 30 no longer have?

Did they ever have? Gender was something that was, to the majority, used interchangeably with sex. And often still is.

I wouldn't be surprised if many of the younger people who think in terms of 'gender identity' at the moment will tend to grow out of it as the realities of sexism based firmly on sex, particularly reproductive role, impinge on them. Becoming a parent or knowing more peers who are parents (especially for women) is often enlightening.

Not me.

I once responded to little Owen Jones of Twitter saying that I found being called "cisgender" offensive. You should have seen the pile on I got from incels and other social justice warriors still living in their parent's houses

Can we just notice too in passing: the percentage of posters here stating that they find 'cis' an offensive word.

Then compare that to the percentage of deleted posts, and how long this thread has been allowed to stand, which suggests that women here, despite being offended, are explaining why rather than rushing to report and ask for removal.

And then consider what this thread would look like and how long it would have been allowed to stand at all, had women here wanted to discuss other explicitly banned words in the guidelines within a thread? What is the difference I wonder?

Gender is a load of socially-constructed bollocks used to keep people, and predominantly (although not exclusively) women in narrow regressive boxes. I don’t define myself in terms of gender, I don’t worship at the altar of gender ideology and I don’t call myself “cis” (or non-binary, or agender or whatever other wokespeak terms some people try to ascribe to others to make it seem as if we all have a place on the bullshit gender spectrum).

I am a woman, because I was born female and grew to adulthood. Beyond that I have preferences, dislikes and a personality. In some of the first two in particular I can see the evidence of female socialisation within a patriarchal society. But that’s not an “identity”.

You’re either a female or you’re not, if you’re not female then you are a male . There are only two sexes , no grey areas no subsets no identifying as , it’s male or female .

I have no gender identity. I'm a woman whether I like it or not, can't identify in or out of biology.

I am a woman, not a cis woman. Furthermore, the whole concept of identifying as something you're not and expecting other people to go along with it is a complete crock of shite as far as I'm concerned.

@OnlyTheLangoftheTitBerg

Gender is a load of socially-constructed bollocks used to keep people, and predominantly (although not exclusively) women in narrow regressive boxes. I don’t define myself in terms of gender, I don’t worship at the altar of gender ideology and I don’t call myself “cis” (or non-binary, or agender or whatever other wokespeak terms some people try to ascribe to others to make it seem as if we all have a place on the bullshit gender spectrum).

I am a woman, because I was born female and grew to adulthood. Beyond that I have preferences, dislikes and a personality. In some of the first two in particular I can see the evidence of female socialisation within a patriarchal society. But that’s not an “identity”.

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I'm a plain old woman too. No need for a prefix..

And yes, I find it offensive.

@Enidblyton1

I wonder who came up with the word CIS? It’s so ugly! I shall pretend I never stumbled across this thread and forget about such a ridiculous word. Let’s hope it goes out of fashion quickly.

Here's what a comment I wrote about that on another thread:

"The term cis was originally used only in a strictly medical context in which a simple and easy way was sought to differentiate those who identify as trans from those who do not.

Volkmar Sigusch, a German psychiatrist and sexologost coined the term "Zissexuell" (i.e. cissexual) in 1991 because he reasoned that if there are transsexuals, there must of necessity also be cissexuals.

Interestingly, Sigusch's work on transsexualism includes such gems as categorically stating that no male person can ever understand what it means to be female (and vice versa).

In his understanding of the ideas behind transsexual and cissexual (he only coined the word cisgender in 1995), it's all very much about the absence or presence of dysphoria. And about the presumption that it is healthy to accept the sex stereotypes and sex role stereotypes associated with one's sex."

I should add that in modern usage, the word cis is no longer a mere reference to someone who embraces the straitjacket of stereotypes associated with one or the other sex. It is also and especially posited by many trans rights activists as denoting the oppressor class in a proposed oppressive system whose axis is gender identity. That's why "cis" isn't just offensive to me, it's gynephobic.

That's because there can be no axis of oppression based on how society reacts to a given individual's preference for the sex stereotypes and sex role stereotypes associated with the sexes. Just as with outright oppression on the basis of sex, the correct axis of oppression for this issue is also sex. And the oppressor class in that system is the male sex class.

I am constantly having to ask my teen DD's what each "label" actually means, they despair of me, sometimes I feel so "old", there's a label for you. A catch all phrase for being out of touch with the new nomenclature.

Not me either. I’m gender abolitionist but if pressed to use the gender ideology terms, I would choose agender as in I don’t identify with any gender at all.

I don't think anyone does; even those that use the hash-tag. It is a social currency that people use to signal their membership of a tribe.

Nobody really 'identifies as' something that they just are. It is a recently manufactured term.

What absolute contrived rubbish Genderbread and Atonewall definitions are.

What a fucking, smashing typo!

(If it was deliberate I salute you.)

@DaisyHeadMaisy

I find the use of CIS deeply offensive. I am a woman.

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And it's supposed to be banned on here and yet I keep seeing it.

You need to report the posts. If you don't report it will stay up.

I don't 'identify' as anything. I. AM. A. WOMAN.