Dear Owen Jones, we are not frightened of transgender people, we are frightened of men.

[dearoj]

There you go, fixed that for you.

@dyslek

My mum and dad were sort of hippies and had friends who were in to the Bagwan, the orange people we used to call them.

I still have some unpleasent memories of an afternoon spent at one of their 'meditation' sessions [shudders even more]

That sounds dreadful 😳 like one of those time share things or MLM where they get really arsey and complain you are wasting their time

Ive got a lovely friend who keeps trying to get me to go to bible study...not gonna happen 😀

Mumsnet Massive.

I wish I knew how to save gifs off the internet. This one is fun:

twitter.com/kleephotography/status/1354123178713505792

Limbering up for the 2021 Trifle Trials...

Ladies (and gentlemen): Dame Jenni Murray:

'Well done Janice. Keep it up. I’m with you. And Owen I do hope Kier is well and your male Burmese will one day meet my female. Both clear about sex, not gender.'

https://mobile.twitter.com/whjm/status/1354193398962544642

Ah, that's lovely

Round of applause for JM.

Also, I now have some Rachel's rice pudding in my fridge as a direct result of this thread, and I'm going to try those custard tarts from Lidl as soon as I can.

The irony is that AIDS devastated particular groups of people regardless of whether they ‘identified’ with the group.

There are still restrictions on giving blood for men who have recently had sex with another man in the last 3 months.

Oh I love Janice Turner's response to LOJ tweets. Go Janice 👏🏻👏🏻💕👏🏻👏🏻

mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1354116694009147396

She's absolutely spot on

He is just so completely outgunned, intellectually.

Spare a thought for Owen Jones: weaned, I imagine, on tales of working class and civil rights heroes, dreaming of leading his own struggle when he's grown up. And then he thinks he's found one, only to realise he has to deny science and sound more like Jolyon Maugham with every passing day.

what about trifle?
Can't believe someone brought jelly into this toxic debate.
My mother thinks jelly in trifle.is 'common'. OJ wouldn't like that

Does OJ just have absolutely no idea how it looks when he writes a massive rant and then blocks replies? He is starting to sound desperate and unhinged.

Janice Turner (who doesn't block replies, as doesn't JKR) just seems so classy and calm in comparison.

My mother thinks jelly in trifle.is 'common'.

Er! Jelly is very necessary. Fruit is horrid.

Besides I want to bounce on the jelly between the sponge cake pontoons to get across the pool.

I’m backing out of this custard debate now, it’s just all too toxic.

What we need is more light, less heat on this (because then the trifle will melt and curdle).

We can't call OJ a cult?

A jelly pool, FYI.

The custard's gone toxic?

I told you lot not to leave it standing out all night. It's gone off, like poor old LOJ.

Janice has rather handed him his behind in a party bag there. It appears that the Guardian and its crew have completely lost it over Christmas, it's getting more and more unhinged, and that Janice is somewhat taking the gloves off to share in this view.

Urgh is he still going on? Trust a man to order women on how to feel about the subject.

If Jones and the Guardian had courage and total confidence in their convictions, they would get Jones to write an article based on his tweets, open it for comments, and then not modify those comments out of existence if they told him exactly what they thought of the article. But they don’t.

They’re complete cowards.

Janice has rather handed him his behind in a party bag there.

She really has.

I also found this tweet by Jack Appleby somewhat informative.

twitter.com/jackappleby/status/1354154338189529096?s=20

It is actually retweeting another person (Nuddering) who I don't know anything about, but listed an interest that the little one had in uni regarding another group known for being marginalised and persecuted. I am not quite sure whether he was correcting them as per his perception which does match the group's, or what his intentions were. .... either way he felt it was his role to amend wikipedia entries about Israel on numerous occasions to reflect what he felt was the truth.

My point being, in his mind he felt he had the right to state his view over others who might have had expertise, lived experiences etc. He felt his view was obviously factually correct at the time. Funny how he denigrates any person who wants to stick to the 'facts' now. Or maybe it is just that they are women.