Dear Owen Jones, we are not frightened of transgender people, we are frightened of men.

[dearoj]

There you go, fixed that for you.

That's why trans ideology is so inherently homophobic, because the dogma erases sexual preference, including homosexuality.

And LOJ demonstrates perfectly that the implementation of the ideology is occurring in a highly sexist manner.

Gay males are allowed to have hard sexual boundaries. Their orientations are largely respected. So are straight males'. But lesbians are not permitted to refuse to consider penis-havers; their right to a sexual orientation is not respected. Not are straight women permitted a stable orientation; if your husband transitions you must reidentify yourself as a lesbian or bisexual.

Has anyone ever seen a rape threat from a transman?

Is it just men and transwomen who do that?

Odd when you think about it?

A mystery wrapped around an enigma...

[quote WarOnWomen]Oh I love Janice Turner's response to LOJ tweets. Go Janice 👏🏻👏🏻💕👏🏻👏🏻

mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1354116694009147396[/quote]
A marvellous response from Janice. The points she raise need mentioning time and time again until coherent answers are provided. Of course it will go unanswered, LOJ is clearly incapable of engaging in reasonable adult discussions. Unless of course firing off a string of rage-induced tweets and pressing 'block responses' is now considered mature, rational, adult behaviour [shrug]

The most famous Jones flounce was this one on Sky News:

It was following the Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016.

Dear Owen Jones, Imagine yourself with a daughter, let's say she's 10 years old and you take her to a swimming pool. She has to get changed in the ladies changing room. You obviously can't go in there with her, you're a man. Are you (genuinely) happy for a transwoman to be in there with your daughter? A fully intact male-bodied person in the same space as your daughter? Really?

And when your imaginary daughter goes for her first smear test or vaginal exam and says she would prefer it if a female doctor or nurse did the test, would you really tell her that it's ok if a male-bodied person does it, as long as he 'feels' like a woman? Really?

Because, dearest Owen, I don't know ANYBODY - female, male, gay, straight, who would feel comfortable with either of these scenarios for their own daughter/sister/niece.

All of the women in It's a Sin feature as supporters and care -givers. None have a real life of their own. Especially the main female character. She exists purely as a prop to support her male friends. She is very one dimensional in that respect. It does make you wonder if that is how many gay men tend to view women. As background over-blown divas, shrills, nags or fag hags.

@Justhadathought, I agree. There were some interesting stories waiting to be told there. Why was Colin's mum on her own? Why was she in a wheelchair? What had happened to Ritchie's mum to make her the way she was? What about Roscoe's mum, sister and aunt(s) - what was their story?

Jill was a wonderfully acted character, but she was too good to be true. What was her own hinterland? Why was she so far in advance of her young male housemates in recognising the threat and trying to do something about it? Did she have a love life? What happened to the flat after the closing credits? What's she doing now?

Fantastic series, though. Strongly recommended to anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Fantastic series, though. Strongly recommended to anyone who hasn't seen it yet

Yes, I'm enjoying it...because I was around at that time, and because I recognise the various characters, social clues, and memes; and the soundtrack of course ( even though it is not entirely accurate)...but not sure I'd call it fantastic. A bit too superficial for my taste, generally. A bit too 'am-dram'.

I’m walking on custaaaaard woo woo
I’m walking on custaaaard woo hoo
And don’t it feel good ?
🎶

Vix.

@Justhadathought

Some of them point to their past association with pro-gay struggles, or in some cases simply that they have been to gay bars before, as though any of this gives them a lifetime freedom pass to say whatever they like about other minorities

Says Owen Jones.

Yet he thinks it is acceptable to call women transphobes, for standing up for women and girls, and for suggesting that women's spaces, women's sports and women's services should be for women.

He thinks he has the right to decide what is acceptable to impose on women and girls; and to tell women and girls that their feelings of shame, vulnerability, dignity and integrity have no validity. That their feelings and needs are somehow hateful.

V good post.

@ArabellaScott

'I joined the Mumsnet cult and all I got was this lesbian wife and $50k in rinsed Xtian evangelist funds and no fucking custard. '

Hahahahaha

Oh dear Owen.

Women are afraid of men.
Men are not afraid of women.
This explains why men do not object to transmen in their spaces.
However, many transmen feel very afraid of Men in men's spaces. (men's prisons, toilets etc)

The problem seems to be men.

What gives OJ the right to dictate what a politically minority group - women - should do?

A question indeed. And he's not alone among left wing social justice supporting men who claim to be "feminist" in talking over women and deciding for us what our political goals and rights should be.

Someone posted this great article on another thread:

www.uncancelled.co.uk/tie-world/gender/left-wing-men-womens-rights-patriarchal-control/

Other related thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4148369-Fun-piece-on-Uncancelled-why-are-lefty-men-so-keen-to-bin-womens-rights

When a male is in a women's space, all the women have is hope that they will play nice. That's it. It's in the male's gift and everyone in that space knows it.

When a female is in a man's space, they too just have to hope that the males will play nice. It's still all in the male's gift. And everyone in that space knows it.

When male people drag in the homosexuality bingo card about 'well you don't mind about lesbian women do you?' they are wholly missing the point. Because what male people are referring to is not their experience of risk from assault from gay men. There are no statistics piling up of gay men eyeing up, whistling at, making appreciative or critical comments to (Dave give us a smile love, you'd be so much more handsome! Oooh nice arse mate!) or groping other men in public spaces, never mind assaulting or raping. Those attacks are extremely rare. Plenty of evidence of gay men being assaulted and beaten up on suspicion of being gay though. What male people are referencing is that gay men can give them a feeling they are very unfamiliar with, which is sexual vulnerability.

They assume that females have the same experience. They don't. Gay people of either sex vanishingly rarely harass or break social boundaries with straight people at random. It's only male behaviours and male culture that does that. Those males need to take that dislike they have of feeling sexually vulnerable and realise, women feel like that all the frigging time. And don't have the reasonable chance of being able to punch out anyone who harasses them.

And one only has to look for two minutes at Twitter and the very violent ideation and sexually violent ideation so very common and very acceptable from activists to see that identification does nothing whatsoever to change those behaviours common to males and their feelings of entitlement to treat females and access their bodies as they feel so inclined. It's in their gift, and everyone knows it.

When male people drag in the homosexuality bingo card about 'well you don't mind about lesbian women do you?' they are wholly missing the point.

Yes! Why do they equate lesbians to heterosexual men? It's so insulting.

When a male is in a women's space, all the women have is hope that they will play nice. That's it. It's in the male's gift and everyone in that space knows it.

When a female is in a man's space, they too just have to hope that the males will play nice. It's still all in the male's gift. And everyone in that space knows it.

I think this is very true.

Ironically, I think that men are sometimes at more physical risk than women, because they feel a need to establish a physical pecking order. Women don't even feature in the pecking order.

Yes! Why do they equate lesbians to heterosexual men? It's so insulting.

Because it's just a gotcha in an intellectual game to them.

I think it's also a sign of how some men are so accustomed to predatory behaviour towards women that they assume it's the norm, and that lesbians would therefore act the same way. It's ignorant but also very revealing.

When a person steps over the threshold of a communal single sex space, they are tacitly agreeing to two things:

1. That they are of the sex that space is for
2. That all other members of their sex are entitled to be there too, at the same time.

That's it.
It's not the "room where noone will fancy me" place
It's not the "room for people who promise they are harmless" place
It's definitely not the "room for people who share personalities, or ideals, or clothing choices" place

It's the room for one-sex-only place.

Everyone in it has entered it under two crystal clear conditions, no more, no less.

1. I am this sex, therefore I am entitled to this space
2. I accept the presence and entitlement of all other members of my sex.

It's so simple.