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I love being on HRT so much, but being happy about it is just making me cry more" says Green Party Women's leader

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FreshFreesias · 30/12/2020 15:53

The new chair of Green Party Women, a transwoman going under the name of Kathryn Bristow, one of whose personal pronouns is `fae' (no me neither), is really thrilled at the effects of her HRT (that's where it all is! No shortage for some!) recently tweeted:

twitter.com/KathrynBristow/status/1343259759701618688?s=20

"Just started crying for no particular reason.
It's so wonderful, I've always just wanted to be able to feel my emotions. I love being on HRT so much, but being happy about it is just making me cry more".

The casual and offensive sexist stereotyping is off the scale of course.

A quick glance through her tweets shows absolutely zero interest in er, Green stuff. No tweets about climate change, animal welfare, recycling... anything remotely environmental at all.

I know the Green Party's innate misogyny is nothing new here but I had to vent. They are going from bad to worse. The trouble is, those not active on Twitter or social media are not aware of the danger this Party poses.

I'm not even sure if Kathryn is even transitioned?

And why do so many transwomen have an annoying little `cute' smile in their profile pics? It's just annoying.

I used to have a position of responsibility in the Green Party in the noughties and there was none of this rubbish. We were completely consumed with environmental concerns and animal welfare. People used to make fun of us because we were beardy and sandal clad and unworldly but at least we were authentic.

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NeurotreeWenceslas · 03/01/2021 18:44

Technical ishoos? Actually I thought it was to do with the signing up process but it ended up being the same. @GreenieFingers?

QueenoftheAir · 03/01/2021 19:44

They should know their place, as Twitter users are currently pointing out to Emma Bateman

I just had a quick look at her Twitter timeline. OMG - it's as if the TRAs can't understand that she was elected - so quite a lot of GP members wanted her as Co-Chair. She stated her views clearly beforehand as part of the campaigning process, and was elected into the post.

So there are a whole lot of TRAs - actually MRAs - who are anti-democratic. It's deeply shocking.

GreenieFingers · 03/01/2021 21:43

I do know most of what was going on behind the scenes with the election, but other than saying there were dirty tricks and aggressive demands of the GPW election that were not required of any other sub-group of GPEW, I can't give any further information. Sorry.

The women involved on the GC side were complete sheros but that's not enough to withstand the dirty tricks brigade.

GreenieFingers · 03/01/2021 21:58

Yes @QueenoftheAir, they are not interested in democracy. I've just written a load of details about the inclusivity-obsessed leadership, who rely completely on the trans-allies for support, but had to delete it in case this causes too much trouble.

All I can say is that we need help to repair the Party and not for people to leave. Please - times a thousand. Every GC voice who leaves in disgust is a cause for celebration by the opposition, no matter how justified the disgust.

Needmoresleep · 03/01/2021 23:01

All I want is a broad church single issue party that I can actively support. I can’t see the greens being that.

The climate emergency won’t go away. Better to start afresh and leave the silliness to Kat and her friends.

It’s interest how too much focus on democracy leads to virtually none.

Gurufloof · 04/01/2021 16:31

All I can say is that we need help to repair the Party and not for people to leave. Please - times a thousand. Every GC voice who leaves in disgust is a cause for celebration by the opposition, no matter how justified the disgust

It's only 3 quid a month or £36 for the year but I could give that to a women only charity (after checking its adult human females) and I reckon that's a better deal. At least then the money goes to women.

GreenieFingers · 04/01/2021 17:46

I can't blame anyone for not wanting to help sort out the Green Party. and I would support any just cause for women, being funded. It's crap that we have to verify if women's charities are inclusive of any man who claims to be a women though.

My view is that we have to fight every policy area and every political party that does not recognise that women are Adult Human Females and our spaces should remain single sex. The only way to fight is from the inside. I was evicted from the Labour Party for my views but still have a lot of contact with my friends who are fighting from within Labour. They too have to do battle from within. I understand that it's even worse in the LibDems.

RozWatching · 04/01/2021 18:01

But surely the majority of the current membership agree that defining people as 'self-identifying non-male/female' makes them look batshit crazy?

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/will-the-green-party-never-learn

Yamayo · 04/01/2021 19:45

For fuck's sake.

HecatesCats · 04/01/2021 20:06

"“I don’t think we’re going to get any good solution on this issue if we’re trying to define a word" Confused

MichelleofzeResistance · 04/01/2021 20:35

"I don't ever want to define that word, because I can either be extremely offensive to half the human race and make the electorate go wtaf is he on, or I can really piss off some male people and activists who get quite... emphatic.... when annoyed."

GreenieFingers · 04/01/2021 23:54

Yes, the majority of the membership (in my experience) think it's all batshit crazy. They just want to get on with the environmental concerns that they have always concentrated upon. As they don't understand the fuckery, they just ignore it. It's kind of a microcosm of our wider society.

Those candidate names listed on the Grimsby Telegraph article would not have been my choice for any positions in the GPEW. Cleo would be the best option of that group featured in the article, but she seems to have been targeted by the self-ID crowd and sucked into their gaslighting. With luck and some thought she may be willing and able to find out more about the real issues and implications of the transgender demands and their impact upon women's rights.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 05/01/2021 08:15

www.kathrynbristow.uk/tag/transgender/

Hmm

"Making spaces exclusively for the sex you were assigned at birth, won’t make anyone safer, it will force trans men into women’s spaces and will make trans women like myself feel very unsafe in our day to day lives.

Some ways to tackle male violence are education, safeguarding and ultimately putting an end to toxic masculinity. Accepting trans women into women’s spaces doesn’t put you in danger, it just makes all women safer."

MichelleofzeResistance · 05/01/2021 09:24

Wonder what qualifies Bristow in Bristow's opinion to inform women what they may and may not be concerned about, what reality is despite the evidence of a lived experience Bristow hasn't got, and to set their boundaries where it personally suits Bristow without bothering to consult or do anything but scold the women Bristow is busily othering there?

If Bristow feels unsafe in male spaces there's a number of answers to that which does not involve commandeering female single sex spaces from female people for male people.

highame · 05/01/2021 09:32

absolutely Michelle

UppityPuppity · 05/01/2021 09:45

If Bristow feels unsafe in male spaces there's a number of answers to that which does not involve commandeering female single sex spaces from female people for male people.

Commandeering is a good descriptor.

As said many times on this board - from purely a safety point of view (ignoring for the moment privacy and dignity which are also key) the type of male who wants access to women’s single sex spaces is exactly the type of male for WHY we have women’s single sex spaces.

I’d rather be in the Gents with the men who don’t want to be in the Ladies with the women.

Datun · 05/01/2021 09:55

Making spaces exclusively for the sex you were assigned at birth, won’t make anyone safer, it will force trans men into women’s spaces and will make trans women like myself feel very unsafe in our day to day lives.

The blindness is always shocking.

Does Bristow never ask themselves why? Why are they unsafe in the gent's?

EdgeOfACoin · 05/01/2021 10:02

Also, the TRA argument always runs 'if a man wanted to hurt you, he would go into the ladies' anyway.'

By the same token, any man who wanted to hurt an mtf transitioner would follow them into the ladies' anyway.

It's a stupid argument.

ColourMagic · 05/01/2021 10:15

I bet that's the first time Kathryn Bristow has used the word "safeguarding", and using it now is purely reactive. The Green Party was accused of having an appalling record on safeguarding (on their GPW FB page, with reference to the Challenors) just in the last few days, a thread on the GPW about the GPW election results.

ColourMagic · 05/01/2021 10:20

So "putting an end to toxic masculinity" will be achieved by hounding, insulting and vilifying women?

Datun · 05/01/2021 10:46

@ColourMagic

So "putting an end to toxic masculinity" will be achieved by hounding, insulting and vilifying women?
And disregarding their boundaries. You couldn't make it up.
TinselAngel · 05/01/2021 10:51

What on earth does Bristow mean by "safeguarding" in this instance? The relevance of safeguarding is to maintain single sex spaces, so how can you argue safeguarding when you wish to do the opposite?

highame · 05/01/2021 11:06

Haven't you noticed, they keep grabbing words and turning them into their words. We're all worried about safeguarding so if they can appropriate the word, it might lessen it's impact in terms of women and children

WhichOneOfUsIsCaving2 · 05/01/2021 11:20

Inventing words is a big thing too.

Whenever I'm with someone who doesn't get the madness I ask them to google "neo-pronouns". The reaction is hilarious.