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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I love being on HRT so much, but being happy about it is just making me cry more" says Green Party Women's leader

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FreshFreesias · 30/12/2020 15:53

The new chair of Green Party Women, a transwoman going under the name of Kathryn Bristow, one of whose personal pronouns is `fae' (no me neither), is really thrilled at the effects of her HRT (that's where it all is! No shortage for some!) recently tweeted:

twitter.com/KathrynBristow/status/1343259759701618688?s=20

"Just started crying for no particular reason.
It's so wonderful, I've always just wanted to be able to feel my emotions. I love being on HRT so much, but being happy about it is just making me cry more".

The casual and offensive sexist stereotyping is off the scale of course.

A quick glance through her tweets shows absolutely zero interest in er, Green stuff. No tweets about climate change, animal welfare, recycling... anything remotely environmental at all.

I know the Green Party's innate misogyny is nothing new here but I had to vent. They are going from bad to worse. The trouble is, those not active on Twitter or social media are not aware of the danger this Party poses.

I'm not even sure if Kathryn is even transitioned?

And why do so many transwomen have an annoying little `cute' smile in their profile pics? It's just annoying.

I used to have a position of responsibility in the Green Party in the noughties and there was none of this rubbish. We were completely consumed with environmental concerns and animal welfare. People used to make fun of us because we were beardy and sandal clad and unworldly but at least we were authentic.

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Cailleach1 · 30/12/2020 21:51

The Green Party could merge with the WEP (Whatever you're having yourself Equality Party. Streamline better what to ignore on the ballot paper.

All those fine principles. Except when it comes to those adult female humans which used to be called women in English. I think women having souls used to be disputed in Christianity. Not fully human. Here we are still with men now promoting a theology which reduces women to an idea. Or an 'attitude' as stated by that Green Party 'attitude'.

EdgeOfACoin · 30/12/2020 21:59

@Cailleach1

The Green Party could merge with the WEP (Whatever you're having yourself Equality Party. Streamline better what to ignore on the ballot paper.

All those fine principles. Except when it comes to those adult female humans which used to be called women in English. I think women having souls used to be disputed in Christianity. Not fully human. Here we are still with men now promoting a theology which reduces women to an idea. Or an 'attitude' as stated by that Green Party 'attitude'.

I thought it was the ancient Greeks who thought women didn't have souls? Am not familiar with this ever having been mainstream Christian doctrine.
SunsetBeetch · 30/12/2020 22:07

[quote HecatesCats]Actual GP candidate wants to work to make sure all women who believe in biological sex are ultimately unwelcome in the party - thread here in which she's appeasing an individual who is cross that a woman who believes in biological sex is co-chair of Green Party Women. It's not enough, as the candidate points out, that a transwoman and trans allies now make up most of the committee. They are so lost:

twitter.com/bristol_pip/status/1343894627414368258?s=21[/quote]
And it's still not enough for the man she's trying to appease!

QueenoftheAir · 30/12/2020 22:10

Kathryn’s receding hairline is super feminine

Oh but Kathryn tilts Kathryn’s head so winningly.

Justhadathought · 30/12/2020 22:42

Emotions and feelings are not the exact same thing. Emotion is raw and primal, whereas feeling involves our responses to lived experience, and involve some degree of reflection.

thenightsky · 30/12/2020 22:47

@terryleather

It's not HRT, it's cross sex hormones. They didn't have female hormones to replace in the first instance.
Yes, this is what I shout at the screen every time I see the HRT remark. Its not a 'replacement' you fools.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 30/12/2020 23:24

*Where is the Green Party leadership? Asleep at the wheel?8

Sad to say they are enthusiastic supporters of this crap.

Needmoresleep · 30/12/2020 23:33

Yes, but surely the point of a political party is to get electoral support and thereby influence policy.

It’s all so studenty. As if the aim is limited to gaining support from within your party. Yes this is enough to give you leadership, but of a falling body of members, and a limited group of voters.

What about the long view....achieving measurable and effective environmental improvements.it feels as if the GP leadership either doesn’t care, or simply has no clue about how politics in a democracy works.

Fifthtimelucky · 31/12/2020 00:05

@EdgeOfACoin

How can I put this...

I can't recall a time when a female MP felt the need to Tweet about being on HRT. Furthermore, in my experience, women in positions of responsibility tend not to cry in public or talk about crying, in case it leads people to think that they are weak, overly-emotional or not up to the job.

It is strange how Bristow's Tweet is so unlike anything I would expect a female politician to write.

It's long before the days of tweeting but Teresa Gorman, who was then the Tory MP for Billericay, was publicly extolling the virtues of HRT back in the 1980s!
Needmoresleep · 31/12/2020 00:11

Kathryn Bristow and Teresa Gorman. Now that is a pairing!

Needmoresleep · 31/12/2020 00:14

“I am Florence Nightingale to the middle-aged woman; the St Teresa of the menopause,” proclaimed Teresa Gorman, the former Conservative MP for Billericay, in Essex

Follow that, Kat.

endofthelinefinally · 31/12/2020 02:35

Teresa Gorman was raising awareness and campaigning for hrt to be available on the nhs for women who needed it. At that time it was extremely difficult to get.

Wandawomble · 31/12/2020 02:48

The ratio...😂

MondayYogurt · 31/12/2020 07:20

What exactly is the carbon footprint of turning a man into a woman? 🧐

Needmoresleep · 31/12/2020 09:14

Endoftheline, Teresa Gorman was one of those formidable women that the right wing of the Tory party sometimes throw up. Agree with them or not, they stick to their guns, though I did feel sorry for John Major. I admire strong women, whether her or Linda Bellos and Germaine Greer, even if I would not want to vote for them. On one level do women a favour by not falling in with what men expect of them, and sometimes they apply their doggedness to something useful like HRT, or Ann Widdicombe and the original GRA.

In contrast I find Sian Berry's look-at-me girlishness off-putting and as for her willingness to cave to male demands....some backbone would come in handy.

highame · 31/12/2020 09:37

@MondayYogurt

What exactly is the carbon footprint of turning a man into a woman? 🧐
This could do with a bit of research. Shock! Horror! Trans community will not achieve zero emissions by 2030 😂
OneEpisode · 31/12/2020 10:15

I don’t know the carbon footprint of painted nails, but I must confess to liking sparkly. Kat’s nails looked lovely. Kat painted them on the 24th and they looked good on the 30th.

During that period I have wrapped presents, unblocked drains and gutters (epic rain). Helped a neighbour with a fence (gales). Played with Lego. Made lots of food and done lots of washing up. Cleaned toilets, pet food containers and everything else... my hands have been extremely useful.

On Twitter it is alleged that we ageing Karen’s are jealous of the transwoman’s beauty. I’m not sure jealous is the right word. Astonishment?
At the amount of free time and lack of responsibility of someone who is supposed to be an adult?

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 31/12/2020 10:27

On Twitter it is alleged that we ageing Karen’s are jealous of the transwoman’s beauty

I try very hard not to make comments about people’s appearance, i hold my tongue and try and be careful about phrasing if i have to mention anything,

But honestly 😀😀😀😀😀 how the fuck am I supposed to read that comment with a straight face?

Yeah, im jealous....soooooo jealous

OneEpisode · 31/12/2020 10:35

I think I might have some jealousy for the young. The epic naïveté mostly. Kat’s Twitter and blog seem so, so young. Kat’s letter to JK Rowling no one with life experience, wider context, would have published.

NeurotreeWenceslas · 31/12/2020 10:39

Seriously? Tweeting about nails in a pandemic?

Jeeze the narcissism.

BettyFilous · 31/12/2020 10:41

I discussed this thread and the original tweet last night with DH because he asked why I’d exclaimed “oh for fucks sake.” He was equally offended by the idea that men can’t and don’t feel emotions. He cried when our friend died of cancer. I’ve seem him cry at various points in our 25+ year relationship and we’ve raised boys who can also express their feelings. My late father was very open and I saw him cry on numerous occasions. It’s such reductive stereotyped bullshit and as offensive to men as it is to women. As others have also pointed out, this is cross-sex hormone therapy not HRT. How can this individual claim to represent women in the Green Party when they have so little understanding of (or, seemingly, interest) in women’s lived experiences and needs? Women are crying out for decent political representation. We don’t need our roles taken up by attention-seeking [fill in the blank] who see the role as instrumental in their validation. It’s infuriating.

NeurotreeWenceslas · 31/12/2020 10:42

Nails - micro plastics as far as I can tell. Esp with sparkly bits.

What an embarrassment to the GP.

NeurotreeWenceslas · 31/12/2020 10:43

Sadly for Fae the fairy, eco glitter is as bad for the environment.

🤷🏻‍♀️

RozWatching · 31/12/2020 10:52

On Twitter it is alleged that we ageing Karen’s are jealous of the transwoman’s beauty

I haven't even seen this person's picture but I love it when the gender mob uses that ageist and sexist line. It's so vacuous but very revealing.

EdgeOfACoin · 31/12/2020 10:59

It's long before the days of tweeting but Teresa Gorman, who was then the Tory MP for Billericay, was publicly extolling the virtues of HRT back in the 1980s!

Oh, that's interesting. I wasn't familiar with Teresa Gorman.

From what PPs have said, it sounds as though Gorman was using her position to advocate for higher awareness and availability of HRT. This seems to me like it was related to a specific attempt to help women's health.

It doesn't sound as though Gorman was using her platform to talk about how oestrogen made her weepy and in-touch with emotions.