Women win guarantee over female only public lavatories - the Times

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Sorry jj most women don't believe males who identify as women are real women. If they are nice people women will be kind to you but that is all. They can wear what they like and as long as they don't want to undermine women's rights, women will accept them as what they are, males who identify as women.

pacify a very small movement limited to the UK that is regarded as quite bizarre, regressive and deeply prejudiced by most feminists overseas.

I asked for evidence that trans inclusive policies pose a risk not mixed sex policies. And they are not the same before you claim otherwise.

How are they different? Please tell us the ways men and transwomen are different. You are sure they are different categories, so tell us how.

Mixed sex environments are likely to be 50% men. Trans inclusive women's spaces are likely to be 0.3% trans women.

I'd hypothesise that women would be safer in with the 50% of males who respect women's boundaries than with the 0.3% of males who do not.

Come on jj, tell us all the difference between men and transwomen? Is it hormones? Surgery? Feelings? Something else? What is it?

What differentiates all transwomen from all men? What happens when a man begins to identify as a woman that entirely removes all the risk that existed a few seconds prior to his change in identity?

Over the sea and faraway,
feminists are all telling jj,
they are small
we are all
Not gonna listen to what they say.

Here on these shores why aye
We put a telescope to our eye
Although we're small
We can hear all
The women at the back saying HI.

You keep banging on about all over the world and especially the USA where TW accessing female toilets happens - how much have you traveled and lived in other countries? I have traveled extensively and lived and worked in several countries and I can categorically tell you that it is NOT accepted practice.

28 states tried to introduce bathroom bills in the USA. All failed. Trans women using women's toilets is accepted practice in the States. As it is in Western Europe. But I agree, and have tried to say comparable countries. There are many countries where trans rights have a long way to go, They are usually countries where the same applies to women's rights.

Finally do please answer this question jj how can someone tell the difference between a man and a TW? You've been asked several times now.

I have answered this. The same way people do now and have done for decades. Or as the law says, if someone is perceived to have undergone, be undergoing or intends to undergo gender reassignment then they meet the threshold for protection under the EA.

I'd hypothesise that women would be safer in with the 50% of males who respect women's boundaries than with the 0.3% of males who do not.

Would you indeed. Well thank goodness you are not in charge of public policy. I'm sorry but what a ridiculous thing to say. As if a women in a men's prison would be less at risk then a women in a women's prison where 0.3% of the women were trans.

if someone is perceived to have undergone, be undergoing or intends to undergo gender reassignment then they meet the threshold for protection under the EA

And the EA also actively enables single sex services and spaces to refuse to include trans women

Women have protection under the EA to have single sex spaces. This also allows transwomen with GRCs to be excluded perfectly legally. Why are you saying that you have the right to enter when the EA clearly states you don't?

So the answer is no there is no way to distinguish between males, no matter their gender identity, who are a danger to women and those who are not.

I do believe trans women would be at risk in male spaces, there is evidence which supports that

Can you post some of this evidence jj?

@jj1968

You keep banging on about all over the world and especially the USA where TW accessing female toilets happens - how much have you traveled and lived in other countries? I have traveled extensively and lived and worked in several countries and I can categorically tell you that it is NOT accepted practice.

28 states tried to introduce bathroom bills in the USA. All failed. Trans women using women's toilets is accepted practice in the States. As it is in Western Europe. But I agree, and have tried to say comparable countries. There are many countries where trans rights have a long way to go, They are usually countries where the same applies to women's rights.

Finally do please answer this question jj how can someone tell the difference between a man and a TW? You've been asked several times now.

I have answered this. The same way people do now and have done for decades. Or as the law says, if someone is perceived to have undergone, be undergoing or intends to undergo gender reassignment then they meet the threshold for protection under the EA.

That doesn't answer.

Tell us HOW.

HOW. How do we tell them apart?

We walk into a public loo, we see a man in front of us, what characteristic do we look for that tells us this man is a transwoman and is therefore totally safe for us to undress in the vicinity of?

@334bu

So the answer is no there is no way to distinguish between males, no matter their gender identity, who are a danger to women and those who are not.

Yep. And you shouldn't ask, but you could ask. Prepare to be lied to, thpugh, going by my experience.

@MrsSteveMcDonald

Women have protection under the EA to have single sex spaces. This also allows transwomen with GRCs to be excluded perfectly legally. Why are you saying that you have the right to enter when the EA clearly states you don't?

That's not what the courts, the EHRC, widespread legal opinion or the Government say unfortunately. There are some limited circumstances where exclusion can be legal. Toilets are not one of them.

"As if a women in a men's prison would be less at risk then a women in a women's prison where 0.3% of the women were trans"

Well in Ireland this is only achieved by assigning 2 officers to be with some male prisoners at all times to prevent them harming the female prisoners..

jj you were going to tell us the characteristic we women and girls should look for when we see a man in the female loos which means we can tell, on-sight, that this man identifies as not-a-man.

Just tell us.

Once we know this fail-safe tell, we can then happily open up our spaces. So just tell us.

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We walk into a public loo, we see a man in front of us, what characteristic do we look for that tells us this man is a transwoman and is therefore totally safe for us to undress in the vicinity of?

Gendered presentation is a thing you know, and one 99.9% of the population pretty much plays along with. So I'd go with that. It seems to have worked for the last 50 years.

Why would trans people campaign for special toilets when all over the world trans people use toilets inline with their gender

Has jj defined gender yet?

That's very transphobic of you jj, we're repeatedly told that transwomen don't need to make any changes to their appearance to be considered women.

jj you were going to tell us the characteristic we women and girls should look for when we see a man in the female loos which means we can tell, on-sight, that this man identifies as not-a-man.

I'm curious how you would know beyond doubt that anyone slightly gender ambiguous in the women's toilets is a woman. How do you tell for sure?

And straight to the switch to women getting confused for men.

I'm curious how you would know beyond doubt that anyone slightly gender ambiguous in the women's toilets is a woman. How do you tell for sure?

Hard wired inbuilt intuition a basic survival skill for women.

It's well known that women are far better at identifying males than men. We've had to learn this due to the danger posed to us by men over the years. When looking at photos of women and transwomen, males find it much more difficult to tell the difference than females do.

@MrsSteveMcDonald

That's very transphobic of you jj, we're repeatedly told that transwomen don't need to make any changes to their appearance to be considered women.

Repeatedly told by who?

How many trans women have you come across who have a typically male gender presentation? I've never met one and I bet I know loads more trans people than you. Is this a thing? Or is it just more theoretical whatabouttery that bears no resemblence to what is actually going on in the real world.