Women win guarantee over female only public lavatories - the Times

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@334bu

Transwomen are members of the group which commit 98% of all sexual assaults so unless you have evidence to exclude them I believe the evidence already exists that as males they are a danger to women.

I’m pretty sure there exists evidence that transwomen offend at the same rate as that unmentionable group they belong to.

I’m tired and can’t be arsed to find it right now though.

[quote Sexnotgender]Mixed sex facilities a risk to women.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html%3famp[/quote]
I asked for evidence that trans inclusive policies pose a risk not mixed sex policies. And they are not the same before you claim otherwise. Mixed sex environments are likely to be 50% men. Trans inclusive women's spaces are likely to be 0.3% trans women.

Uppity UK women say no.
Deal with it.

Cool story bro😂

Adding transwomen to women’s facilities is absolutely making them mixed sex.

I do believe you’ve been asked several times now how to tell the difference between a man and a transwomen?

@334bu

Transwomen are members of the group which commit 98% of all sexual assaults so unless you have evidence to exclude them I believe the evidence already exists that as males they are a danger to women.

So are gay men. Do you think gay men represent the same sexual threat to women as straight men? Have you got any evidence to prove they don't?

And I’ll claim whatever I like, just in the same way you do JJ, your male privilege is VERY obvious...

Gay men aren't trying to get into female only spaces.

But you're muddled, I think.

The overwhelming take from this thread is that feminists would be very pleased to see more unisex facilities.

If that wouldn't meet whatever it is you're after, campaign for the toilet arrangement that you'd like

Just do we are clear that women's spaces are just for us.

that is regarded as quite bizarre, regressive and deeply prejudiced by most feminists overseas.

There's certainly some very hard work going on by males to try and paint female people wanting to keep their rights or even be allowed to talk about their rights as 'bizarre, regressive and deeply prejudiced'

(And yep, there's that word I've been dropping into posts boomeranging back.)

I think I'm done with this thread, I have all the information I could possibly need and more besides. Thanks jj, it's been a real education.

Trans inclusive policies in not mixed sex refuges/hostels/rape crisis/mental health women's services etc put me at risk. I am not able to use such a service alongside trans women service users or providers because of the (proven) detrimental impact on my mental health of being around males when I am extremely vulnerable
I don't care whether or not you like that tbh.

@334bu

Gay men aren't trying to get into female only spaces.

Not the point. Do you have any evidence gay men represent the same sexual threat to women as straight men? Where does the burden of proof lie? I would say it's a remarkable claim which requires evidence to back it up of which there is none.

And given many trans women, possibly as many as half, are in your eyes gay men, then that in itself should cause you to think perhaps offending patterns are different.

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Sexnotgender

Don't bother linking anything. jj won't take it in anyway it seems.

Obviously, this is just like the women's rugby issue. There is anecdotal evidence of injuries being caused but a) not reported and b) the facts are obfuscated by collection of data by gender. So, the result is, there is nothing by women telling their stories and that is completely ignored.

The gaslighting on this thread is quite something. Men really, really don’t like women who don’t comply do they.

@Winesalot

Sexnotgender

Don't bother linking anything. jj won't take it in anyway it seems.

Obviously, this is just like the women's rugby issue. There is anecdotal evidence of injuries being caused but a) not reported and b) the facts are obfuscated by collection of data by gender. So, the result is, there is nothing by women telling their stories and that is completely ignored.

I’m just going to ignore him from now on. The gaslighting is actually abusive. Hopefully all the lurkers will see him for what he is.

Transwomen who are heterosexual males are just as dangerous to women as other males. Unless you have evidence which proves otherwise?

Jj if you really want to be treated like a woman then get used to people thinking you don't have the right to say no and that nothing you say or do is important. Expecting women to do everything you want is a very male attitude.

There isn't a single post of yours that I've seen that gives the impression that you think women are humans that deserve any dignity or respect.

Transwomen are male, if they were female they wouldn't be trans. Having transwomen in female spaces make them mixed sex, it doesn't matter that it's not 50% it's still mixed sex. Safeguarding is putting in rules which affect everyone to make sure that you catch the minority that want to cause harm. Keeping all males out of female spaces regardless of identity is the most effective way of keeping women safe

@334bu

Transwomen who are heterosexual males are just as dangerous to women as other males. Unless you have evidence which proves otherwise?

Even the ones without a penis or no sex drive or sexual function due to hormones?

Are they still breathing?

I'm expecting that other poster to pop up and tell us that trans women are actually psychologically the same as women (because dresses, passivity and pamperedness?) and so should be treated identically to women any minute now (and refuse to give any evidence to back this up)

There isn't a single post of yours that I've seen that gives the impression that you think women are humans that deserve any dignity or respect.

I'm sorry but I don't think the gender critical movement represents women, or even most women. It is a small subset of feminism which has become amplified by a much larger group of Conservatives. I think the gender critical movement is actually dangerous for women. You only have to look at Poland, where the misogynist ruling party rose to power after preaching of the dangers of gender ideology to see that.

Inclusion of TW in female only only sex segregated spaces makes them mixed sex, TW are of the male sex.

jj It's so nice to hear that you support the inclusion of Karen White in female only locked Psychiatric Wards, Prisons and when they are released in 8 years time you support them to access female sex segregated toilets and changing rooms with their potential adult and juvenile female victims. Super.

You keep banging on about all over the world and especially the USA where TW accessing female toilets happens - how much have you traveled and lived in other countries? I have traveled extensively and lived and worked in several countries and I can categorically tell you that it is NOT accepted practice.

Finally do please answer this question jj how can someone tell the difference between a man and a TW? You've been asked several times now.

I'm sorry but I don't think the gender critical movement represents women, or even most women.

Well, I am pretty certain that most of the people who argue on here with you are women. So we definitely represent women.

You, however, are a man, who shows no empathy or respect for the women whose spaces you want men to use.

I'm sorry but I don't think the trans women's
movement represents women, or even most women. It is a small subset of trans people (proportionally, in comparison to the number of females currently transitioning to male) which has become amplified by a much larger group of TWRAs.

Even the ones without a penis or no sex drive or sexual function due to hormones?

Who are still physically on average 20-30% stronger than women? And of course there is evidence to back this up.

By the way, a male doesn’t have to have sexual function to be a high risk of violence or of sex crimes.

To use your own words, I think you already know that.