We are now non trans women.....

[InTheShadowOfTheMushroomCloud]

According the lovely Mr T

I'm busting to hear about the privilege that I have experienced in my life just for being female. Absolutely dying to hear it.

We could just eliminate men and man from our word, and call ourselves Wo. I am a Wo, woohoo.

You really are spitefully jealous aren't you.

Thank you Milady you have said more in that short paragraph than any of us patiently typing out feminist discourse or personal experiences here by authentically demonstrating exactly what the problem is.

@caughtalightsneeze

I'm busting to hear about the privilege that I have experienced in my life just for being female. Absolutely dying to hear it.

Bloody hell, aren't periods enough to satisfy you?

It is what it is?

What it was was cruel and unnecessary to go on to that thread.

I’m curious as to how you think you will ever be accepted as a woman when you act like a man who is trying to put women back in Their place.

I have tried to understand but I can’t while you try to deny our feelings while prioritising your own.

@KnightsofColumbusThatHurt

I believe a person's mind matters more than their body in determining what kind of person they are allowed to be.

This sentence absolutely reeks of privilege.

Women have been oppressed and their lives shaped for millenia by the lived experience of their biologically female bodies. And then people like this come along and are all like 'come on now ladies, it's all about how we feel on the inside that matters'.

Absolutely this!

Absolutely dying to hear it.

I think you'll be waiting as long as I have been for my American far-right funding for my feminist views. They aren't as generous as I've been told.

So women aren't oppressed now?
Female genital mutilation
Lower levels of pay for doing the same job
Being forced into unwanted marriages
Honour killings
Sexual harassment
Shoulder the majority of the household burden
Human trafficking
Risk of rape and domestic violence
Objectification of women and unrealistic beauty standards
Inability / difficulty to vote in some countries
Educational inequality and opportunities in some countries
Navigating career vs motherhood

Many more.

But I know you think we all have an easy time, dress shopping and having our nails done. Maybe the odd pillow fight.

This has been wonderfully illuminating Milady.
Thank you for your honesty in revealing that womanhood to you is submission and passivity and that women have it easy/are privileged. That womanhood appeals to you because you want to be treated like this. That you're not actually interested in what women have to say and as someone who claims to identify with women you seem to have zero respect for them, in fact you seem to positively dislike them. It's all very familiar...

Milady did say they used to be a misogynist. It's a level of self-awareness that Tatchell will never achieve. I am not sure why they think they aren't one now, happily it matters not one jot to me.

No ‘used to be’ about it.

This has been interesting to read.

I have recently been concerned that maybe "hang on a minute, are we the bad guys?" so I joined a few trans groups on FB which aim to "educate" people with questions.

I have really tried to learn, I really have. However, each of the groups are silos with mantras and no evidence of critical thinking. There is a huge amount of internal backbiting and lots and lots of words with no meaning at all.

I suspect that occasionally someone from in the silos thinks they'll evangelise on here.

MiLady believes themselves to be clever because in comparison to some of the pseudo-philosophical meanderings I have read elsewhere, MiLady probably is.

That's the problem, we're arguing with people who appear to lack theory of mind and are quite unable to to listen well enough in order to form a debate.

There is no point in engaging with MiLady, it's like arguing with a person who fervently believes you should put her cutted up pear back together.

My ex thinks women are privileged because they are sexually desirable. That's it in a nutshell.

He cannot fathom anything outside of his own experience, so what is sexually desirable to him is sexually desirable in general. And he wants to be sexually desirable, ergo, he wants to be a woman. (There's an abbreviation for this but mentioning it will get you hushed right quick.)

I don't know why this popped randomly into my mind.

@DialSquare

You really are spitefully jealous aren't you.

Yup, I think that's it in a nutshell.

So relieved I don't know this person in RL.

This thread needs to be linked on the 'break it down for me' thread.

The sense of entitlement and lack of self awareness from MiladyRenata is staggering, and highlights that TRA ideology is just plain old MRA activism.

If you honestly, genuinely think that women are being "oppressed" then maybe there is no frame of reference for a rational conversation. It's the opposite to how I see things.

We don't think we're ''oppressed'', we fucking know it. We live it.

It's probably hard to see when you think all a woman is is pretty dresses, barbies, makeup and being desired by men. The 'fun' stuff.

This is why I'll never say transwomen are women. You haven't got a clue and you don't fucking care either.

@Kettlingur

My ex thinks women are privileged because they are sexually desirable. That's it in a nutshell.

He cannot fathom anything outside of his own experience, so what is sexually desirable to him is sexually desirable in general. And he wants to be sexually desirable, ergo, he wants to be a woman. (There's an abbreviation for this but mentioning it will get you hushed right quick.)

I don't know why this popped randomly into my mind.

Reality clashing with expectation in this sort of example is likely to cause further hatred of those one seeks to emulate.

@VaggieMight

This thread needs to be linked on the 'break it down for me' thread.

The sense of entitlement and lack of self awareness from MiladyRenata is staggering, and highlights that TRA ideology is just plain old MRA activism.

I do hope it doesn't get deleted.

Never heard of him, but from what I have read here I can't imagine he's is listened to or taken v seriously by many people. Turn over enough rocks, you can always find a crazy lurking somewhere!

Oh what a cop out.

That's simply launching a new hare and hoping everyone here will chase that. What is the point? The whole 'talking to a brick wall' comment demonstrates that you have no intention of engaging, women have given you pages of explanation, their feelings, their views. You aren't talking at all, just dismissing them and walking away as beneath your notice unless they're meeting your needs.

Which to an extent I suppose they do every time you start a hare and watch women chase it, such as 'women aren't oppressed discuss '

Spot the patriarchy in action.

If you honestly, genuinely think that women are being "oppressed" then maybe there is no frame of reference for a rational conversation. It's the opposite to how I see things.

well, there you have it. It's gender flat earthism.

We KNOW the stats on female babies being murdered at birth, we KNOW the stats on women murdered by male partners and family members, we KNOW the rape stats, we KNOW the stats on DV, we KNOW the stats on FGM, we KNOW the stats on the wage gap .... we KNOW because we have FACTS.... but according to Milady we're not oppressed. Now just who is being "irrational" here?

I do hope it doesn't get deleted.

It probably would be. That thread is invaluable and although disingenuous posters have disrupted it before, it is powerful enough as it is.

That's simply launching a new hare and hoping everyone here will chase that.

That's what I was trying to say earlier, but you have said it much more clearly.