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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

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ripx4nutmeg · 16/10/2020 07:36

In a Q&A he said he'll reverse all 'anti trans' executive orders if he becomes president. He revealed again that he doesn't really know anything about the trans debate but implied he will still give campaigners everything they want twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1316913590620852224?s=20

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BovaryX · 16/10/2020 20:14

@DameFanny

You're suggesting I read works by people who think the race conversation is dominated by victimhood and that 'wokeness' is equivalent to Stalin's purges? Can't imagine why...
This is how you dismiss the cogent analysis of black academics? When you clearly have not read a single word by Glenn Loury or John McWhorter? Astonishing. Yet not remotely surprising.
Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:14

I joined MN so I could learn everything I could about what's happening in the UK as it appears to be a bellwether for what may come in the US because I want to protect women and girls' rights over here. I'm grateful as hell for all of you brilliant UK women leading the fight!!!

I know, I shouldn't have gotten into a pissing match with those who don't know as much about US law or culture, plus, I try to be respectful that this is primarily a UK site. But c'mon...don't go telling Americans what we see in our backyards (back gardens?) is wrong cause you read a biased piece of trash on the internet!!!!

7Days · 16/10/2020 20:20

Delphinium I am genuinely very surprised that you say that it was Southerners in Maga hats doing the rioting.
I genuinely haven't seen that anywhere - all the news that I've read seem to be saying it's a small proportion of Black Block activists. Obviously I'm not there - but I read sources from right across the spectrum so thought I was kinda hitting the middle.

Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:23

@7Days

Delphinium I am genuinely very surprised that you say that it was Southerners in Maga hats doing the rioting. I genuinely haven't seen that anywhere - all the news that I've read seem to be saying it's a small proportion of Black Block activists. Obviously I'm not there - but I read sources from right across the spectrum so thought I was kinda hitting the middle.
Here's one. abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story?id=72051536
Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:24

@7Days

Delphinium I am genuinely very surprised that you say that it was Southerners in Maga hats doing the rioting. I genuinely haven't seen that anywhere - all the news that I've read seem to be saying it's a small proportion of Black Block activists. Obviously I'm not there - but I read sources from right across the spectrum so thought I was kinda hitting the middle.
And another

www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:24

@7Days

Delphinium I am genuinely very surprised that you say that it was Southerners in Maga hats doing the rioting. I genuinely haven't seen that anywhere - all the news that I've read seem to be saying it's a small proportion of Black Block activists. Obviously I'm not there - but I read sources from right across the spectrum so thought I was kinda hitting the middle.
www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/

I can do this all day

BovaryX · 16/10/2020 20:26

I joined MN so I could learn everything I could about what's happening in the UK as it appears to be a bellwether for what may come in the US

Nope. You have that relationship inverted. The US has exported wokeism to the UK. It is an example of cultural imperialism. You know. Something 'progressives' used to be opposed to. America is a warning of where the UK is headed. By the way? You don't get to dictate who can speak on what subject. People don't agree with you. Get used to it.

Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:27

@7Days

Delphinium I am genuinely very surprised that you say that it was Southerners in Maga hats doing the rioting. I genuinely haven't seen that anywhere - all the news that I've read seem to be saying it's a small proportion of Black Block activists. Obviously I'm not there - but I read sources from right across the spectrum so thought I was kinda hitting the middle.
www.ajc.com/news/with-ties-white-extremism-accused-plotting-mayhem-protests/GdtpTjwVaapgVZihVtNWeI/

The thing is, our FBI has said that white supremacy (whether or not they are actually wearing their MAGA hats at the time of their crimes) is a grave threat to our homeland:

www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/worldwide-threats-to-the-homeland-091720

ListeningQuietly · 16/10/2020 20:28

Maga and Antifa are both popcorn
80% of the electorate CBA with any of it

I am not sure what the word soup posters want

I want better democracy in the USA
and less disaster capitalism in the UK

Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:29

@BovaryX

I joined MN so I could learn everything I could about what's happening in the UK as it appears to be a bellwether for what may come in the US

Nope. You have that relationship inverted. The US has exported wokeism to the UK. It is an example of cultural imperialism. You know. Something 'progressives' used to be opposed to. America is a warning of where the UK is headed. By the way? You don't get to dictate who can speak on what subject. People don't agree with you. Get used to it.

I'm not dictating your topic of choice, I'm calling out your lack of factual reporting.
BovaryX · 16/10/2020 20:30

If you lived here, you'd know it wasn't the leftist burning our communities

@Delphinium20

That is a laughable lie. It's Southerners in MAGA hats trashing Portland? Do you imagine that anyone believes you? Sorry. Another narrative fail.

BovaryX · 16/10/2020 20:33

@Delphinium20

Tell us about how it's Republicans burning buildings, chucking fireworks at cops and trashing businesses. I was in Houston a couple of weeks ago. Do you imagine anyone believes you?

7Days · 16/10/2020 20:33

Thanks Delphinium, I'll have a look.
Add to the collection of confusion anyway.

Agree with that, LQ. My American based friends swirl around the centre, throw their hands up in horror at the extremists.

ListeningQuietly · 16/10/2020 20:39

Bovary
Tell us about how it's Republicans burning buildings, chucking fireworks at cops and trashing businesses.
Tim McVeigh
Michigan militia
Gretchen Whitmer kidnap
Hmm

BovaryX · 16/10/2020 20:42

@ListeningQuietly

Tim McVeigh? We are talking about 2020 But hey. Keep spinning that it's Republicans who have spent the last six months burning buildings and trashing businesses. Credible. Not.

BelleHathor · 16/10/2020 20:43

Didn't 2 of the "White Supremacists" who plotted to kidnap Governor Whitmer turn out to be anarchists/antifa/blm hence reason why the story disappeared quickly as it no longer suited the narrative.
amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5940296002
www.thedailybeast.com/feds-bust-militia-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-overthrow-government-affidavit-says
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ONlMsZtzndQ

Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:45

[quote BovaryX]www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/damage-due-to-rioting-unrest-in-kenosha-tops-50-million-2-000-guard-assisted-here/article_26473ec9-c08a-5490-9d09-cc2b840b65f1.html[/quote]
You bring up Kenosha? It proves my point. A 17-year old Trump supporter came up to Kenosha and killed a man.

amp.kstp.com/articles/17-year-old-charged-in-kenosha-wisconsin-shootings-that-killed-2-5842071.html

And you making a visit to Houston does make you an expert on America. Not sure why you'd travel on a plane to the US during a pandemic. Our COVID cases are on the rise. Hope you don't get sick.

BovaryX · 16/10/2020 20:47

And you making a visit to Houston does make you an expert on America

Er, I have lived in the US for years. Currently out of the country. But hey. Keep making assumptions that are false.

BovaryX · 16/10/2020 20:49

Not sure why you'd travel on a plane to the US during a pandemic

Do you have any concept that sometimes people need to travel for business or personal reasons? Irrespective of the pandemic?

GwendolineMarysLaces · 16/10/2020 20:50

@pequini

Please no. He's running against the devil incarnate here. Can we not encourage people to not vote for the man. He's the only hope we have. I normally care a lot about women's rights and the aggressive trans lobby. But now is NOT moment. The left need to mobilise behind him not pick him apart.
This. WTAF?
Delphinium20 · 16/10/2020 20:51

[quote BelleHathor]Didn't 2 of the "White Supremacists" who plotted to kidnap Governor Whitmer turn out to be anarchists/antifa/blm hence reason why the story disappeared quickly as it no longer suited the narrative.
amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5940296002
www.thedailybeast.com/feds-bust-militia-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-overthrow-government-affidavit-says
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ONlMsZtzndQ[/quote]
The current charges allege they are a militia group called the Wolverine Watchman, a boogaloo group that belongs to the far right wing. Not leftists. No narrative change.

www.npr.org/2020/10/15/924155813/michigan-charges-8th-man-in-alleged-domestic-terrorism-plot-to-kidnap-gov-whitme