Brighton TRAs bullying female small business owner

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Urgh. This is happening in my home town and it’s shit.

Happy Maki is a small, vegan cafe and takeaway. It’s a very ethical business. All about sustainability and green energy. They plant a tree and feed a child for each wrap made. It’s a gift economy and the food is free with a suggested donation. All very hippy. You get the idea.

A FTM trans person approached the female owner of Happy Maki and asked for support in fundraising for their top surgery. I believe they wanted a poster in the window asking for money. The owner refused. When pressed the owner said it was against her religious beliefs - she is a follower of the Divine Truth which admittedly sounds a bit ‘out there’ but not entirely unexpected given the nature of her business.

Anyway the TRAs have really gone to town and are posting in every Brighton based Facebook group, Instagram and Twitter accusing the owner of Transphobia and calling for her to apologise:

twitter.com/makiunhappy/status/1314261939833446400?s=21

They seem to be getting a lot of support and gaining a lot of traction too with many saying they are now going to boycott the business.

I’m upset about this for a lot of reasons. Obviously the female owner being bullied and harassed in this way and them encouraging people to email her. The lovely takeaway losing business. It’s also pretty tone deaf to attack the hospitality sector in the midst of a global pandemic for not supporting one individual’s elective, life changing surgery.

Anyway, the reason I’m posting here is in solidarity with the owner Anna. And if any of you lovely lot are nearby then consider getting a Happy Maki takeaway. The food is delicious and I’m sure they could do with some support right now.

www.happymaki.co.uk

Shame about all the Dentons leaked documents about getting things done under the radar, and out of the papers, innit?

It's an odd strategy for a law firm, when clearly total transparency and letting women speak and undo ourselves is better. JJ says so.

@jj1968

jj1968 are you going to address it then?

Well you're speculating now. I'm not sure it's that relevent whether Harry was a customer, he was local, known to the staff and approached her as a local business owner so he was at least a potential customer. As to the rest who knows in exactly what context she made the biphobic comments, all we know for sure was that along with the other issues it was enough for half the staff team to walk out.

Which bit am I speculating on? I quoted you saying she was eager to express her beliefs with her customers and staff, yet neither side have said that Henry was a customer, neither have mentioned any other customers and the only references to her expressing her beliefs to her staff have come after the email and when they ambushed her and keep doing so. The only one here speculating is you, wildly. Either show where things have happened or stop presenting them as facts.

Shame about all the Dentons leaked documents about getting things done under the radar, and out of the papers, innit?

Such a shame. And that all those people the activists send here will know to look them up.... thanks j j.

@Tanith

Thank you, Datun. I hadn't actually seen the 2 hour film that jj1968 mentioned. I have, now! Good, isn't it?

I wonder if all those people that the TRAs are apparently sending to Mumsnet for "sunlight" will see it, too?

You're welcome Tanith

And yes, in the spirit of sunlight, I'm sure they will be glued!

I'm just a bit baffled as to how it's not biphobic to say the reason people are bi is because they've got unresolved trauma (fully expecting these words to get twisted)
Can I say the same about gay and lesbian people then? For example, lesbian people you're only lesbian because you've been traumatised in the past and scared of men as a result
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Yes thanks Datun - I was wondering what to watch tonight so that's me sorted.

And to the poster who had the mock duck today at Happy Maki, good choice! That's one of my favorites. Think I'll get the rainbow roll tomorrow as I love the coconut rice.

Sorry to derail, I’ve never seen the beginning of the Harrop/Posie interview and I’m laughing at a doctor saying a paper poster is “that campaign made flesh” 🤣

@PurpleHoodie

Datun

Thank you purple, here's to you 🥂.

Before this thread ends, and because I need to drink the wine proffered by purple, I want to announce that intimidatory tactics don't work here.

Certainly, the women on FWR don't respond to intimidation.

Claiming that drawing attention to a predatory man in a woman's shelter makes him the victim because of laws regarding revenge porn. Announcing that an informative video, drawing on publicly available information, will be shut down because of copyright infringement. Claiming that a woman intimidated and bullied in her workplace would be falling foul of ACAS.

These are all tactics to shut women down. To intimidate them. (Frankly, they are a little risible, but nonetheless that does not detract from the motivation).

The sunlight illuminating this, only ever goes one way, despite evidently erroneous protestations to the contrary.

"Of course I've read her blog. And I've treated it as one's person version of events, no more valid than anyone other version without more information about what went on. It's called being objective."

speculating widely and besmirching someone isn't what I'd call being objective

"Claiming that drawing attention to a predatory man in a woman's shelter makes him the victim because of laws regarding revenge porn"

Yes, that piece of DARVO was a particular low point, I think.

Yes, that piece of DARVO was a particular low point, I think.

It was.

@EyesOpening

"Of course I've read her blog. And I've treated it as one's person version of events, no more valid than anyone other version without more information about what went on. It's called being objective."

speculating widely and besmirching someone isn't what I'd call being objective

And lying-lots of lies

'If these lies were laid end to end I wouldn't be a bit surprised.'

Can't beat a bit of Dorothy Parker, double

@Datun

As you know I was only echoing the views of the women who worked in that shelter. And here I'm merely calling for a bit of objectivity and an understanding that their are some people, presumably some of them women, who are not out of work because of this situation in Brighton.

Why don't you just admit you don't actually give a shit about women unless they agree with every word you say.

@doublehalo

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[quote jj1968]@Datun

As you know I was only echoing the views of the women who worked in that shelter. And here I'm merely calling for a bit of objectivity and an understanding that their are some people, presumably some of them women, who are not out of work because of this situation in Brighton.

Why don't you just admit you don't actually give a shit about women unless they agree with every word you say.[/quote]
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JJ, you can't honestly expect anyone to take what you say seriously?

One wouldn't even need to provide evidence, to be quite frank. But, the women have. It's just nonsense.

I assume jj has heard of 'projection'?

It's too much though. You're a GC plant right? Must be. Surely??

Not read thread yet, just OP, will take hours to go through posts but

Regardless of reasons given, not placing an ad someone wants placed is absolutely NOT a reason to then target their business. Especially in the middle of a pandemic thats decimating the hospitality sector anyway. The self centredness (is that a word..) of TRAs knows no fucking bounds. FIL used to own a bar, and we regularly refused to advertise others business/events/personal ads. Never had anyone boycotting the pub because of it, that would be a bit..barmy. Mind, barmy is what we are used to from TRAs I guess.

Why don't you just admit you don't actually give a shit about women unless they agree with every word you say.

Textbook reversal!

That last sentence is a bit rich and completely unwarranted .

It's projection Butterer. That's all.