Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

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This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

Unpaid ironing, at that.

With the wax my balls person in Canada there was a question over why they didn't get prison for threatening someone with an illegal taser. There was some concern that due to JV high profile and actions, and also their laws, they can't really put them in prison no matter what they do as there would be an obvious threat to women and there would be outcry. But they can't put them anywhere else as it's not what the law says.

These sort of issues have been raised over and over. We're told that we're unfairly focusing on a few bad apples, women can be violent too etc etc

The point of single sex in prisons is to protect women. One 'bad apple' can cause harm to many women. That's what safeguarding is about.

The person in the OP has not been convicted of anything but is awaiting trial for sexual assaults and threats to kill, against women. They could have been held on remand and given the situation and massive risk I'd have thought that would be done. But they'd have to be in a women's prison so Ireland have hamstrung themselves in the same way as Canada.

The Minister for Justice has the power to revoke a GRA cert if something comes to light that hadn't been highlighted when it was issued. Yet the sex offender in Limerick prison, who had multiple convictions remains a woman. Which makes it appear that it is not as simple as it appears
The teenager had no convictions.

Medical opinion is not relevant when applying for Self ID. It is completely based on trust.
And nobody would ever use that to their advantage
This is in Ireland where we lurch from one scandal to another. Followed by tribunals where the government wonders how this could possibly have happened.

Many of the scandals involving the way the state gave carte blanche for people to be treated badly are scandals involving brutality against women and children. This is the continued perpetuation of that.

With the 'gender' woo woo, we are still dealing with the same level of discussion as souls.

Yes I've often felt that those who most ardently espouse gender woo woo are those who would have been in the Legion of Mary 60 years ago.

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-teen-charged-with-making-death-threats-against-two-individuals/

Suggestion here to write to the prison head

I should have also said some more info on this person & how dangerous this person is.

The Irish Minister for Justice is a woman. I hope she understands the seriousness of this.

Time for those in Ireland to bombard her with their worries, concerns and objections. Helen McEntee. From what I remember she played a blinder during the Brexit debacle re the Border in NI/ROI. Clever cookie.

Yolio
I wouldn't bet on getting support from female politicians www.teni.ie/gender-recognition-review-report/
Regina Doherty and Catherine Zappone, both women, were involved in the 2017 review in which the expansion of Self ID to under 18s was rolled out.

gcn.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-abortion-legislation-inclusive-trans-non-binary-intersex-people/https:
MaryLou doesn't look too promising either.

Excellent link on other thread about 'Where the madness began', by LGB Alliance.

They discuss the origins of the 'Yogyakarta Principles' in which the gender identity and sexual orientation element is presented as the zenith of trans ideology. It is handled and referenced also in the review of the GRA in Ireland in June 2018. It is one big Wizard of Oz hazing.

The Yogyakarta Principles (in relation to sexual identity and gender identity), far from being something which Ireland (or anywhere else) has to uncritically comply with, have no legal standing. It was simply drawn up after a meeting of academics and no better than a wish list. A subjective wish list. The Trans Ideology being no different or better than any other minority belief, has insinuated it's way into laws without much evaluation, analysis or impact, never mind checks and balances.

So women in Ireland are now governed by laws which were created on a spurious basis. Such bs handled as if they were sacred.

Following. Don't have much to add but I am in ireland and terrified even to like JK Rowling tweets for fear of being reported to my employer so good to have a place to discuss all this anonymously.

@PopcornAndWine

Following. Don't have much to add but I am in ireland and terrified even to like JK Rowling tweets for fear of being reported to my employer so good to have a place to discuss all this anonymously.

Welcome PopcornandWine. Things in Ireland are not great at the moment. But I hope the huge progress in the UK will open a few eyes. There are a few court cases in the U.K. that may get a few Irish politicians worried enough to engage in critical thinking ( though critical thinking isn't a word that would be paired with politicians too often). The planned review of Tavistock may also have an impact. I do believe the tide will turn. But, unlike the U.K. , we have a bigger hill to climb as the legislation is already in place in Ireland. ANYONE I speak to about this has never heard of it. EVERYONE, however, has been horrified when I explain the implications of Self ID on women and girls. It's not a topic that is easy to bring up in conversation but the Barbie Kardashian case is a good opener ATM. There are a lot of links on this thread. But the feminist section of Mumsnet ,in general ,is a mine of information.

Custardcream1244

Thanks for the tip off there. Will look it all up when I get a minute. Thanks.

Wouldn't stop me from bombarding her though right now.

Regina Doherty and Catherine Zappone are no longer in Government having lost their seats.

Mary Lou McDonald is a populist idiot IMV. Sorry now, but there we are.

@yolio

Custardcream1244

Thanks for the tip off there. Will look it all up when I get a minute. Thanks.

Wouldn't stop me from bombarding her though right now.

Definitely yolio. Helen McEntee is an extremely intelligent woman. I think they need to remember where the votes lie.

Green Party are a write-off.

www.greenparty.ie/policies/justice-reproductive-rights-gender-recognition/

Gender recognition

Introduce a requirement for provision of gender-neutral public toilet facilities.
Add protection for transgender and intersex people by introducing hate crime legislation.
The Green Party supports the amendment of the Gender Recognition Act 2015 to include recognition of non-binary and non-gendered individuals, and to facilitate gender recognition for people under the age of 18. We believe that further policies need to be implemented to support transgender and intersex people in Ireland, including better education to reduce transphobic bullying in schools.

@PopcornAndWine

Following. Don't have much to add but I am in ireland and terrified even to like JK Rowling tweets for fear of being reported to my employer so good to have a place to discuss all this anonymously.

Me too, I should probably change my username!

The Greens were always a bit mad, but it seems that others are following also.

Where the heck did transactivism get all these laws made, and where did their power to influence Governments and society (whether we like it or not) actually come from?

Such a tiny proportion of society has done this to women. Why and How?

Must be some money behind them or something like that.

@Aine82

Green Party are a write-off.

www.greenparty.ie/policies/justice-reproductive-rights-gender-recognition/

Gender recognition

Introduce a requirement for provision of gender-neutral public toilet facilities.
Add protection for transgender and intersex people by introducing hate crime legislation.
The Green Party supports the amendment of the Gender Recognition Act 2015 to include recognition of non-binary and non-gendered individuals, and to facilitate gender recognition for people under the age of 18. We believe that further policies need to be implemented to support transgender and intersex people in Ireland, including better education to reduce transphobic bullying in schools.

The Green party has always been completely out of touch with reality and are a complete waste of time. But the GRA 2015 was brought in by Fine Gael, so they aren't going to want to admit any mistakes. SF will jump on any bandwagon. A quick search hasn't shown up much about Fianna Fáil. They are trying to build up grassroots and this would not be popular with the ordinary voter. But they are going down in the polls so won't want this government to fall anytime soon. Yolio, If you get replies get back to us, it will be interesting to see the responses.

@yolio

The Greens were always a bit mad, but it seems that others are following also.

Where the heck did transactivism get all these laws made, and where did their power to influence Governments and society (whether we like it or not) actually come from?

Such a tiny proportion of society has done this to women. Why and How?

Must be some money behind them or something like that.

Lots of links upthread showing how this was brought in "under the radar".

Custardcream1244 as far as I am aware FG/Lab Govt only brought it in because they absolutely had to, because of the Foy case?

Who can we write to apart from Minister for Justice?

@Custardcream1244 I agree I would hope that events in the UK might open a few eyes here. And this Barbie Kardashian case has the potential to have truly horrific consequences. I hope not, for the sake of any women who May suffer at his hands, but if it does surely people will have to sit up and take notice?

But then I also see former colleagues and people I would consider friends, who I know to be very intelligent and otherwise good people, liking and sharing Jedward's book-burning tweet about JKR... so I just don't know.

@Aine82

Custardcream1244 as far as I am aware FG/Lab Govt only brought it in because they absolutely had to, because of the Foy case?

Who can we write to apart from Minister for Justice?

/murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2020/02/25/from-medical-assessment-to-affirmation-legal-gender-self-declaration-in-ireland/f This is a very good link that explains how we got where we are now.

Aine82

I am emailing EVERY woman TD in the country. I doubt many of them realise the reality of this for women. But it's a start.

The men don't care because they can go anywhere anyway.

Maybe women need to invade the men spaces. Now what would they be I wonder for a good effect, and I would do it, no problem but it's only their toilets where they get their bits out.

I remember having to go to the mens at a concert in the Point, I couldn't hold on, the Q for the ladies back then was a mile long. Got a great slagging, but they were ace and looked out for me. Will never forget it.

This thing though is a bit more sinister, it is planned.