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Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

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XXSex · 25/09/2020 12:05

This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

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Annasgirl · 26/09/2020 13:33

Sorry when I read the first post on the name I thought it was a joke post - is that really the name this person has adopted?

And we are really telling Irish women in 2020 that their opinions and safety matter less than the opinions and desires of this teenage? Have I gone back in time to 1950?

Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 13:47

@StephanieRang

This is excellent and a good summary of the whole situation :

twitter.com/stellaomalley3/status/1309788076059832320?s=19

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People of Ireland, it is time to stand up and be counted! Barbie Kardashian has stated that she plans to rape and murder people. She is “very anxious she be detained in a prison facility for females as she identifies as a female.”

Stella OMalley has, along with Prof OShes been one of the few medics willing to speak out on this topic. If it weren't for social media. we would be completely in the dark. It is almost like a communist state, the non reporting of this whole issue would remind you of North Korea. All about what a wonderful country we are, a model for the world to follow. No government is going to want to face up to what they have really done. It will probably take a few court cases before any claw back will occur.
Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 13:48

@Gingernaut

Um. Meet 'Barbie Kardashian'.

Why the Irish legal system is humouring 'her' is beyond me.

They have no choice. Legally she is a woman. Sad
bellinisurge · 26/09/2020 14:19

How old is this person? What is the GRC process in Ireland (apologies- I don't know). I bet it will come as a shock to many that someone can get a GRC male to female and keep their dick.

Gingernaut · 26/09/2020 14:37

'She' first came to public attention when 'she' was about to turn 18 and leave secure care for minors.

Presumably, 'she's' no more than 19 now.

Gingernaut · 26/09/2020 14:39

Born 25th December 2001, according to the police awareness bulletin.

So, 18, 19 on Christmas 2020

User27aw · 26/09/2020 14:43

The date of birth on the 2nd photo says 25/12/2001 so 18.

notyourhandmaid · 26/09/2020 15:38

@bellinisurge

How old is this person? What is the GRC process in Ireland (apologies- I don't know). I bet it will come as a shock to many that someone can get a GRC male to female and keep their dick.
Change your name by deed poll and fill out a form.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.gov.ie/en/service/b55abf-gender-recognition-certificate/?referrer=www.welfare.ie/en/pdf/GRC1.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.gov.ie/en/service/b55abf-gender-recognition-certificate/?referrer=www.welfare.ie/en/pdf/GRC1.pdf

That's it.

It doesn't matter that there are professionals who don't think this is a genuine case. It doesn't matter.

FUCKING HELL.

Oncewasblueandlangtoo · 26/09/2020 15:41

bellinisurge

It is very simple to apply for a GRC here

A 3 page form, and have a witness when it is signed, a witness can be a Peace Commissioner, Notary Public, Commissioner for Oaths or Solicitor and a include a birth cert with the application.

www.gov.ie/en/service/b55abf-gender-recognition-certificate/

Oncewasblueandlangtoo · 26/09/2020 15:41

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Eyesofdisarray · 26/09/2020 16:33

Terrifying.
I can't get that image out of my head now. That facial expression.

I too thought someone was joking with the 'Barbie Kardashian" name.
Absolutely terrifying
Unbelievable
Shock

Sexnotgender · 26/09/2020 16:36

@Gingernaut

Um. Meet 'Barbie Kardashian'.

Why the Irish legal system is humouring 'her' is beyond me.

Fucking hell. That’s terrifying.
Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 16:38

On one of the few occasions when this whole issue was discussed in the media it was immediately labelled trans phobic.
www.todayfm.com/news/protest-held-at-rte-over-graham-linehan-appearance-324580

Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 16:42

www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/prime-time-transgender-report-is-delicate-if-a-little-patronising-1.3767683?mode=amp
Irish Times review of the Prime Time programme. I d think it will age well.

Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 16:42

*don't

Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 16:50

gript.ie/revealed-expert-advice-behind-kids-changing-gender/
This current government see no problems at all, at allConfused

Thelnebriati · 26/09/2020 17:12

There is a flaw in the system when convicted offenders can change their legal gender.

SerenityNowwwww · 26/09/2020 17:30

I thought the whole thing about jail was to keep the public safe. They have spoken about killing and raping. And so they are allowed out to threaten - what if they carry out the threats??

Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 17:35

In this case Barbie isn't a convicted sex offender afaik. Which demonstrates the whole weaknesses in Self ID. Anyone case change gender for whatever reason they choose. It is completely based on trust.
Safeguarding wasn't even considered when the legislation was implemented

SerenityNowwwww · 26/09/2020 17:38

Wonder why they didn’t choose a K first name to match the rest of the Kardasians.

StephanieRang · 26/09/2020 18:33

@Thelnebriati

There is a flaw in the system when convicted offenders can change their legal gender.
Absolutely. I also feel there is a flaw in the system when anyone can change their legal sex.

Once a Gender Recognition Certificate is issued, the gender of the person named on the certificate becomes for all purposes the preferred gender from that date forward.

Accordingly, if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman.

This is from <a class="break-all" href="https://www.gov.ie/en/service/b55abf-gender-recognition-certificate/?referrer=www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/GRC1.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.gov.ie/en/service/b55abf-gender-recognition-certificate/?referrer=www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/GRC1.aspx

They are mixing up sex and gender. Surely your sex can't change, but you can legally live as your chosen gender.
Sex needs to be included in the equality act, and places can be segregated by sex NOT GENDER where necessary.

nepeta · 26/09/2020 18:35

@Custardcream1244

In this case Barbie isn't a convicted sex offender afaik. Which demonstrates the whole weaknesses in Self ID. Anyone case change gender for whatever reason they choose. It is completely based on trust. Safeguarding wasn't even considered when the legislation was implemented
Is it really the case in Ireland that a person doesn't have to change a single thing when changing gender identity? Donald Trump, say, were he Irish, could continue exactly as he is but just declare that he is now a she? Any man could simply change identity and then apply to scholarships intended to correct historical discrimination against female-bodied people etc.?

That means everything becomes mixed sex, from hospital wards to prisons.

Annasgirl · 26/09/2020 18:43

@nepeta - yes, it really is. DSis, who calls me a Terf and jokes about my friendship with Glinner (oh the lols) - was shocked, shocked I tell you, when I explained the stats on transition to her.

None of those famous people who you hear about in the media who are transgender have actually had an operation to remove their male parts. Only a teeny tiny percentage of transwomen ever have the final operation. And most of the loudest, wokest, take women's places transwomen have not even had hormones. They just "self ID" into the role. 'Cause, you know, feelings and all, that's really all that counts.

Oh and the man in the Irish Women's prison, is all man, he self ID'd into the prison. But you will hear none of this in the MSM in Ireland because we are the wokest of the woke and proud, in the long tradition of Ireland, to throw women under a bus.

Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 18:47

@Nepata
I have copied a section from a link above . Based on this the answer to your question is Yes.

Effect of a Gender Recognition Certifcate

Once a Gender Recognition Certificate is issued a person’s gender “becomes for all purposes the preferred gender from that day forward. Accordingly, if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman.” Applicants can also have the GRC issued in a different name to that on their original birth certificate.

SerenityNowwwww · 26/09/2020 18:47

Annasgirl - I hope you got a bloody apology from her.

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