Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

[XXSex]

This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

@SerenityNowwwww - if you knew my DSis you would know not even to expect it. TBH she is younger than I am and works in a very woke area and lives in a very woke area. But she is coming round and supported me in the campaign to get signatures for the HSE cervical check site.

My BIL was similar - very wokier than thou. I decided just not to speak about it but he came as kind when I was reading the newspaper and that was when some gymnastics organisation had declared that boys could change and compete with girls (age they got to wear shorts though!) if they so chose.

I was reading it out loud and he was ‘Uhuh...
what, wait - what was that?????’. His little girl had just taken up ballet and gymnastics. Funny how men seem to only get it when they ‘get it’.

Surely surely we can wake everyone up to this now? Is it a poster campaign? A protest?

This just makes me feel sick. Was trying to explain what's happening to some mothers on a group I'm on and straight away the 'I hope no trans people are looking at this' ' what about the poor trans' and putting up a story from a trans woman who was delighted she transitioned from a young age.

Was trying to highlight a few key points and then the messages came that it was too heavy.

We are asleep at the fucking wheel in Ireland. Hse not using the word women when talking about our cervic. Got onto an organisation that was advocating to get this changed and they had a template to use to send to your TD and low and behold we are called pregnant people

Exactly what Annasgirl said. I brought up issues with my local very seasoned & usually sensible TD. He was really puzzled ...‘it’s the law, do you you expect me to change the law’. Oh & be kind

@XXSex I think you are right. We need to learn from what tactics were in the UK.

The amount of changes that have been brought in for a small minority is astounding. We are 50% of the population and we still don't have equal rights. Such a toxic agenda

Is it really the case in Ireland that a person doesn't have to change a single thing when changing gender identity? Donald Trump, say, were he Irish, could continue exactly as he is but just declare that he is now a she? Any man could simply change identity and then apply to scholarships intended to correct historical discrimination against female-bodied people etc.?

It is. Shocking, isn't it?
You apply by completing the form linked to in the gov.ie link above. You don't have to change your name, but you can, either by deed poll or proof that you have been living as that name for 2 years.

You can then legally access anything a woman can. Competitions, scholarships, places on boards, changing rooms etc. And women can't even raise this as an issue without being labelled transphobic.

@Nepeta
This link is can help explain it better
womensspaceireland.ie/

Thank you all the explanations. The situation sounds truly awful in Ireland.

@nepeta

Thank you all the explanations. The situation sounds truly awful in Ireland.

Yes. Very few people here seem to have noticed though.

It's unbelievable really that men could legally self identify as women before biological women could legally obtain an abortion in their own country.

Majority of people here have no idea about self id it was snuck in as we all slept and here we are now reading about a teenager wanting to rape her own mother with no reporting on teens trans status? We now are expected to accept female young adults threaten rape as normal! 😕
We gave up religious ideology and looks like we've just swapped it for a new one. Catholic guilt knows no bounds

This is how it was brought in, from a link above.

A report on legal gender recognition in Europe published by international law firm Dentons in November 2019 praised activists in Ireland for passing legislation “under the radar” by “latching trans rights legislation onto more popular legal reforms (e.g. marriage equality), rather than taking more combative, public-facing approaches.”

Which is probably where trans activists got the "no debate" slogan from. It works to their benefit.

This is the paragraph that refer to prisons. Yet despite concerns raised by the law society, no action was taken.

"Impact on prisons

As a consequence of the legislation, a man convicted of ten counts of sexual assault and one count of cruelty against a child but in possession of a GRC was sent to a woman’s prison last year. The Irish Prison Service have confirmed this prisoner will be “included in our female prisoner statistics.”

Robert Purcell, chair of the Law Society Criminal Committee told the Law Society Gazette that the Gender Recognition Act 2015 had placed the State in an impossible position with regard to transgender prisoners, pointing out that the law is challenging for the courts and the Irish Prison Service since there is, potentially, a safety issue for women inmates housed alongside a male-bodied prisoner:

“The law that was enacted in 2015 did not envisage this situation, and it puts the Prison Service and the courts in a difficult position because, obviously, if somebody is self-declaring that they have to be recognised, then they have to be dealt with on that basis, even though physically, they have not have made the [physical] transformation.”

“I don’t think the legislation envisaged the ability of transgender people to be able to self-declare; and it didn’t foresee the problems it would cause if a transgender, self-declared person was held in a mixed prison.” "

"There is no mention of a submission or hearing being held with the National Women’s Council of Ireland (NWCI) although a submission was made by Irish Girl Guides (which explained in its submission that for overnight activities: “For trans members, this includes sleeping in the same area as the other members if the trans/girl woman herself is comfortable”. And that “An adult who applies to be a Leader does not need to declare if they are transgender”)."

No input from women's groups.
Girl Guides did appear to have had concerns, but the review itself did not appear to acknowledge them.

This I find hard to under stand. Generally,anything around safeguarding is given the highest priority, but the review doesn't appear to have done that.

This is a part I find truly shocking. A senior medical consultant with significant experience in the area or a transman. Guess who the government chose? Despite trans groups already being heavily represented.

"Prof O’Shea later declined to sit on the new HSE Steering Committee, which was charged with developing a Transgender Identity Service (currently children from Ireland are seen by flying in two clinicians from the Tavistock and Portman NHS trust in London to run clinics at Crumlin Children’s Hospital).

Describing the situation “as close to farce as you could get”, Professor O’Shea stated “I didn’t feel it was appropriate to sit on a committee where there would be friction between advocacy groups and clinicians“, offering a choice between himself, with 25 years experience, and activist and transman Noah Halpin who the Minister for Health, Simon Harris it was announced was appointing to the committee. Also on the committee are two members of the transgender advocacy group TENI."

I'm confused about prisons. The judge in the current BK case is quoted as saying she cannot make the recommendation to hold BK in the women's prison as it's a matter for the prison authorities to decide.

But isn't there a quote going round from the time of the previous male trans prisoner being sent to Limerick stating that the judge remands the prisoner to a particular prison and that's that, the authorities have to carry out the order?

Anyone know the quote I'm thinking of oram I remembering it wrongly?

I think they are getting wise to the fact that the public are finally waking up and if this gets traction with ‘the plain people of Ireland’ then the whole trans house of cards will fall down. Add to that the potential cost to the State (ie us) of legal costs when canny lawyers realise the conflation of rights and the clusterfuck that was made of this ‘silently passed’ legislation is beginning to dawn on senior civil servants and probably Gardai. I think, like the massive rollback that is happening in the UK, that a hornet’s nest of proportions to drown the Magdalen laundries, is going to explode in the next 12 months. And I think we all need to organise and be ready to tear it down, layer by layer, like the UK groups have.

www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30950494.html

Found it. So, current judge passing the buck?

Thanks for the link @SecondRow- I had read that before but good to get it out again.

I wonder if the staff of a female prison are all biologically female Prison Officers?
Last line in the report that you linked to....

It has been reported that the transgender inmate had been given protection status by the prison service, and is accompanied by two officers at all times while in the common areas of the detention facility.

As well as Stella O'Malley's thread (linked earlier) there's a good summation and plea for help from Rhonda Praisely on Twitter (for anyone looking for an overview). Like she says there's been this BS narrative that "self-ID works fine, no problems here". She also talks (accurately) about how there are many Irish women concerned about this, but deeply fearful and also without a place to pull together. O'Malley is about the only high profile person (and she's not that high profile) to put her head above the parapet. Donal O'Shea also but only in the specific context of his work.

@Custardcream1244

So we have a situation where anyone can declare themselves a woman in Ireland. No medical diagnosis, no Garda vetting (not that that would have been sufficient in this case). No hormonal therapy, no surgery required. All they need is to 'feel' like a woman (or if you are a sexual predictor, spot an opportunity). There was no risk impact done prior to the legislation being brought in.

We had the word woman removed from the cervical screening programme, despite all the well documented problems with the service.. This seems to have been done with the sole purpose of not wanting to upset trans women, with no concern given to the risk it created for marginalised women with poor literacy skills or women with English as a second language.

There is a transwoman, who has not taken any hormone treatment who is a convicted sex offender housed in a woman's prison.

We have a homicidal teenager who has already attacked women, who has openly stated the intent to kill and rape women. Yet, the courts were willing to put the lives of women at risk rather than misgendering the teenager.

Women's rights groups remain silent, as they now represent trans women too. So they have a conflict of interests.
No political party has a problem with this.
The trans lobby provide educational materials for schools.
There are plans to expand Self ID in the programme for government.
But if this government fails the next government also has no problems with it all. In fact they are patting themselves on the back for how 'progressive' they are.

So basically, Irish women are screwed.
Have I got that right?

Excellent summation. And all continuous with Ireland’s history of woman hatred and child abuse. The new priests are the same as the old priests etc..

But we are not asleep at the wheel and we will fight this. All of it. And events in the UK this week can only help.

Do you read Jennifer Bilek or follow her on Twitter? See what she has to say about TENI.

Thanks for that @OnlyWomenAreWomen - I've just lost half an hour searching and reading Jennifer Bilek.
Cogent arguments about the links between big tech, big pharma, the requirement for women's unpaid labour and the commercialisation of the body.
Now I need to do the ironing.