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Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

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XXSex · 25/09/2020 12:05

This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

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Custardcream1244 · 27/09/2020 23:44

[quote PopcornAndWine]@Custardcream1244 I agree I would hope that events in the UK might open a few eyes here. And this Barbie Kardashian case has the potential to have truly horrific consequences. I hope not, for the sake of any women who May suffer at his hands, but if it does surely people will have to sit up and take notice?

But then I also see former colleagues and people I would consider friends, who I know to be very intelligent and otherwise good people, liking and sharing Jedward's book-burning tweet about JKR... so I just don't know. [/quote]
Anyone that likes a tweet advocating book burning clearly never listened in history class😒
Nazi Germany anyone??????

Aine82 · 27/09/2020 23:46

@yolio

Aine82

I am emailing EVERY woman TD in the country. I doubt many of them realise the reality of this for women. But it's a start.

The men don't care because they can go anywhere anyway.

Maybe women need to invade the men spaces. Now what would they be I wonder for a good effect, and I would do it, no problem but it's only their toilets where they get their bits out.

I remember having to go to the mens at a concert in the Point, I couldn't hold on, the Q for the ladies back then was a mile long. Got a great slagging, but they were ace and looked out for me. Will never forget it.

This thing though is a bit more sinister, it is planned.

Amazing, I will try do the same
yolio · 27/09/2020 23:53

Aine,

My email will be short and not so sweet,

Hello there TD,

Do you realise that the GRA and self ID in Ireland means that men who self identify with beards and cojones can just go anywhere women go, just because they say they identify as women.

Can I have your response to this invasion of women's spaces as a woman yourself please. Thank you.

Custardcream1244 · 27/09/2020 23:57

@yolio

Aine,

My email will be short and not so sweet,

Hello there TD,

Do you realise that the GRA and self ID in Ireland means that men who self identify with beards and cojones can just go anywhere women go, just because they say they identify as women.

Can I have your response to this invasion of women's spaces as a woman yourself please. Thank you.

Lol, no harm in mentioning safeguarding concerns. It would be interesting to see how they can justify bypassing them.
yolio · 28/09/2020 00:04

Custardcream1244,

Wonder why there are so few female to male Self IDs around. Amazing isn't it? But maybe there are I dunno. All focus is on the male to female spaces now.

Anyway will add on a bit about safeguarding as you suggested. My dander is up, and probably need to calm down a bit before sending anything but it will be tomorrow.

NiceGerbil · 28/09/2020 03:35

What I find totally baffling

Is that if you take a step back, like a good step back

And think. The UK and Ireland and other countries altered the law/ guidelines

So that men who said they were women would be housed in the female prison estate as a default

And this was changed quietly and some years ago in the UK and has been in place for some years

And in Ireland is codified in law

And no one knew.
Essentially, the authorities just went ahead and did it.

And then started placing male prisoners including sex offenders in with the women.

I mean that's completely bonkers. Anyone can see that's completely bonkers.

But it happened. The government and whatever other authorities said yep. Green light. Sounds good. Get it into the guidelines.

And no one knew.

How the fuck did this happen? What were they thinking? I know institutional capture etc but... Actual real people with actual real power said, yep. Put violent male sex offenders in women's prisons if that's what they want.

Same with loads of other stuff which if you take a step back is just obviously bonkers.

If so many people in authority are just green lighting shit like this, then our institutions are simply not fit for purpose. At all.

If you get any average person in the street or in the pub and say. Should males be put in women's prisons. Answer is no. Obviously. Before you even get onto sex offenders etc.

But this has actually happened in law in UK, Ireland, Canada etc.

It's incredible.

Someone posted the handwritten equalities risk assessment thingy from when they decided to put males in women's prison there. The part about protected characteristic of sex had n/a written next to it.

I say to DH. All this shows how little when matter. He looks uncomfortable. He sees how it is but can't get to grips with it. Nor can I TBH. All these lawmakers, institutions, etc. Just saying yeah ok.

It's hard to think about, TBH. But it's incredibly eye opening and extremely depressing.

EarlofEggMcMuffin · 28/09/2020 07:29

Extremely depressing, Gerbil.

Given how long it took irish women to get basic rights, such as contraception, bodily autonomy with regards to whether their organs should be removed or not, abortion, the right to work after marriage, I worry about our ability to change the ridiculousness that has taken hold.

I was heartened by the developments with Liz Truss in the UK, but with the Women's Council fallen, AIMS fallen, men in prisons.....I have daughters, it's very concerning.

Custardcream1244 · 28/09/2020 10:47

I have emailed all female TD's re this issue. I will come back with responses (or lack of) as I receive them.

Annasgirl · 28/09/2020 13:19

@Custardcream1244

I have emailed all female TD's re this issue. I will come back with responses (or lack of) as I receive them.
Hi Custard

Would you mind sharing the wording? I will email everyone too. I hope I get a better response than I did when I emailed re Schools reopening.

Annasgirl · 28/09/2020 13:20

Also, should we do an open letter to TD's and Ministers? Get it published? Or get a signed petition like the one on the HSE?

Custardcream1244 · 28/09/2020 14:08

This is the text of the email I sent. I,'be tried to keep it on point. I will change my username following this.
Dear
I am contacting you,as a female representative of the Dail, which has been inadequately represented by women, since the foundation of the state.
As you are aware. the Gender Recognition Act of 2015 was brought in to allow people who identified as the opposite gender to their biology, to change their gender, in a manner which removed the need for a medical diagnosis.
Worryingly, there is no requirement on an applicant, to have taken, or plan to take any hormonal therapy or surgery. It also appears to be a system based entirely on trust and on the principles of the Yogyakarta Principles, which , I believe ,have no legal basis.
Given the potential impact on women,and girls in areas such as single sex spaces,which are provided for safety. I would like to enquire what risk assessments were done when this legislation was implemented? Were any Women's rights groups involved in the planning of the legislation?
As those with a GRA certificate are legally women ( even if biologically unchanged), what safeguarding measures are in place to ensure girls are not placed at risk of sexual predators who may use this legislation to their advantage.
I would also wish to draw your attention to the worrying cases, already in the media, of Barbie Kardashian, and of a sex offender with multiple convictions, currently housed in Limerick prison, both of whom obtained GRA certificates on the basis of simply identifying as women.
As there are plans in the programme for government to expand legislation to under 18s, what measures are in place to prevent biological males participating in women's sport, to the detriment of girls and women. What measures are in place to ensure that girls are not put in a position in schools of sharing changing rooms, or toilets with biological males?

I would also appreciate your opinion on the decision of the HSE to remove the word woman from its cervical screening website. Given that research has shown 40% of women are unaware they have a cervix this would appear to put marginalised women , with poor literacy skills , or with English as a second language at greater risk. I wish to point out that Transmen are well catered for, and in no way excluded, on the same website. With thanks
Custard cream

Aine82 · 28/09/2020 15:07

Thanks Custard.

Agreed EarlofEggMcMuffin, it is extremely concerning, but people are going to push back when this hits the mainstream. Irish people simply do not know about these matters!

StephanieRang · 28/09/2020 15:23

Another article.... The coverage is growing :

www.theburkean.ie/articles/2020/09/27/barbie-kardashian-how-a-homicidal-transgender-woman-was-almost-released-to-public

Note this bit:

Since 2015, the Republic of Ireland endures what is the potentially the world’s most liberal transgender regime, with the country having a hawkish transgender lobby in the form of TENI Ireland. As mentioned before in this publication, TENI has enjoyed favourable coverage from the mainstream press, as well as funds from the Social Innovation Fund Ireland, aka Rethink Ireland, in partnership with Bank of America.

purplepizzabunny · 28/09/2020 15:57

I know I sound like a broken record, but I am checking the CRO daily and the 2018 accounts are still not filed. They were due a year ago. CRO can start strike off proceedings if annual returns are more than 12 months later. There has to be something serious brewing.

PopcornAndWine · 28/09/2020 16:46

@Custardcream1244 Great email! I really can't email TDs as my job is in public policy so have to be very careful of any activity like that outside work. And I have a pretty unusual name IRL. But great to see others doing so!

Glinnerisgreat · 28/09/2020 17:12

I have emailed all the TD's - will be interesting to see replies (I better have my Rescue Remedy beside me when I open them!!).

I have name changed and am already on this topic on a different name that I always use, but I posted the note about my letter to all TD's as this name so that hopefully they cannot see my usual posts on Style/AIBU and Housekeeping Grin.

I think we should all get every woman we know to email their TDs about this - does anyone else think we can organise a campaign around this issue?

Glinnerisgreat · 28/09/2020 17:13

@purplepizzabunny

I know I sound like a broken record, but I am checking the CRO daily and the 2018 accounts are still not filed. They were due a year ago. CRO can start strike off proceedings if annual returns are more than 12 months later. There has to be something serious brewing.
@purplepizzabunny - we could end up taking the whole house of cards down on a technicality, a bit like how they got Al Capone Grin
ReiltinDubh · 28/09/2020 17:42

I would definitely be up for emailing TDs on this, i am absolutely woeful when it comes to getting thoughts down on paper so if we had a template that would be great Blush

Glinnerisgreat · 28/09/2020 19:09

Here's what I wrote - slightly modified from the post from Custard

Dear

I am contacting you, as a female representative of the Dail, which has been underrepresented by women, to the detriment of women, since the foundation of the state.

As you are aware, the Gender Recognition Act of 2015 was brought in to allow people, who identified as the opposite gender to their biology, to change their gender, in a manner which removed the need for a medical diagnosis. Worryingly, there is no requirement on an applicant, to have taken, or plan to take, any hormonal therapy or surgery. It also appears to be a system based entirely on trust and on the principles of the Yogyakarta Principles, which, I have been advised, have no legal basis.

Given the potential impact on women, and girls, in areas such as single sex spaces, which are provided for safety, I would like to enquire what risk assessments were done when this legislation was implemented? Were any Women's rights groups involved in the planning of the legislation? Would you be able to access under FOI, the report into the impact on Women's prisons; Women's refuges; Rape Crisis centres;

As those with a GRA certificate are legally women ( even if biologically unchanged), what safeguarding measures are in place to ensure girls are not placed at risk of sexual predators who may use this legislation to their advantage?

I would also wish to draw your attention to the worrying cases, already in the media, of Barbie Kardashian, and of a sex offender with multiple convictions, currently housed in Limerick prison, both of whom obtained GRA certificates on the basis of simply identifying as women. Who is advocating for the rights of the women in the prison - the women who come from the most disadvantaged sectors of society and are already disadvantaged, now housed in a prison with male bodied inmates.

As there are plans in the programme for government to expand legislation to under 18s, what measures are in place to prevent biological males participating in women's sport, to the detriment of girls and women. What measures are in place to ensure that girls are not put in a position in schools of sharing changing rooms, or toilets with biological males? I noted that the new Educate Together second level school in Dublin North has determined, without parental input, to only have gender neutral toilets. What safeguards have been put in place in the education sector for teenage girls who are having their period or other female related hygiene issues?

I would also appreciate your opinion on the decision of the HSE to remove the word woman from its cervical screening website. Given that research has shown 40% of women are unaware they have a cervix this would appear to put marginalised women, with poor literacy skills, or with English as a second language, at greater risk. From the HSE website:

"Every year in Ireland about 300 people get cervical cancer. 90 women die from it. In women aged 25 to 39 years, cervical cancer is the second most common cause of death due to cancer"

And yet, there was no cause for concern that these women would be discouraged or even upset by the wording used in the HSE communication to encourage women to access cervical health screening. I wish to point out that Transmen are well catered for, and in no way excluded, on the same website.

PopcornAndWine · 28/09/2020 19:53

Please do keep us posted here in any responses you get!

StephanieRang · 28/09/2020 20:02

I put this on the JKR letter thread but I thought you guys would be interested. Discussion on newstalk this afternoon about the pile on of JKR. This stuff is rarely discussed on irish radio so big thanks to Stella:

www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-hard-shoulder/person-targeted-no-longer-seen-human

Glinnerisgreat · 28/09/2020 20:15

Have you noticed this is only ever discussed on the "right wing" programmes - never by the woke broadcasters such as Sean Moncrieff or any women broadcasters in Ireland.

3timeslucky · 28/09/2020 20:16

This site is becoming very helpful in getting me to commit to putting pen to paper and then doing it. Earlier in the month it was the HSE, so this week's job is to write to McEntee (at the very least).

It was great to see that SalWicklow has got a response from the HSE undertaking a review of their language. Onwards and upwards!

Runnersos · 28/09/2020 20:53

There are some amazing posters on here. I will use those emails as a guide. I think they cover everything, is there anything else that needs to be added?

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