For those who have kids at university - wokedom

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I have no kids, never went to uni - but where I work there are of young graduates who all seem to be totally on board with the trans woman is a woman concept, using pronouns and all manner of wokedom. They all seem like one group who all say the same things, think the same way....

Just for curiosity, if you have children at uni, or just graduated - are there people in this age group who think differently, even if they don't publicly express to their peers/friends that they don't agree with them? I think there must be some individual thought, which must be hard if they want to fit in/not be ostracised.

I think I just want a bit of hope that this period of madness will pass by and people will start to push back against a lot of wokedom. Or is the toothpaste too far out of the tube?

Full wokedom here from my uni child. Bit my head off for saying “he” about Sam Smith while we were in the car listening to his song on the radio. Was full arguing with her younger siblings who were saying “but isn’t he a man?”

I can’t discuss any trans/non binary subjects with her

The group in work, which is large, is made up of mainly young females (about 90%) and a couple of gay guys. There is also somebody who has a female name/looks like a female, is actually female, who is now referring to them self as they/them, this is recent. And a female to male transgender. There was one straight young guy who now seems to be keeping his distance. But it is like they are one big group, all on message.

Sadly my children are aligned with the notion men can just decide to become women.

Nah my son's thinks it's nonsense.

My daughter is of the opinion twaw too she also tried to call me a cis woman claiming it was Latin therfore accurate (she is English student) i said thst im a woman with no prefix needed she was horrified i pointed out if I was cis her friend should be trans as that was technically correct too she tried to argue the point but I told her she did not have the right to DEMAND I used a prefix I did not condone and did not approve of

Her trans friend agreed with me and she doesn't call me cis anymore

Re sam Smith i told her I believed he was just doing it for press attention (new album) i pointed out that he had to set his camera up to have a meltdown and as she has autistic brothers she knows that's not how it works she reluctantly agreed

She has turned against jk Rowling though although I pointed out that she clearly hadn't read her statement nor the disgusting responses too it so she now says she doesn't like her writing (used to be a huge HP fan) says it doesn't stack up as literature its supposed to make sense etc etc so I'm up one Harry Potter blanket and my friend is having the other merch I did offer to keep her Harry Potter style birthday gifts but she said no she would keep those 🤣

Just for curiosity, if you have children at uni, or just graduated - are there people in this age group who think differently, even if they don't publicly express to their peers/friends that they don't agree with them?

Yep. Mine believe in science, anatomy and other rationality. So do many of their friends, but they have to be discreet to avoid hassle and worse.

I cannot even speak to any of my rational, sensible, intelligent 20something children about this subject at all. Every other subject under the sun we can and do discuss and agree to differ. This seems to get them unbelievably emotionally angry and irrational.

I think it is because they secretly KNOW I am right, and they really CANT defend their argument but are told over and over and over again that they MUST

“ They all seem like one group who all say the same things, think the same way....”

Because the GC posters here have such diverse views

I recently graduated where I was on a course with predominantly young Chinese students and me and one other Brit (all women).

When discussing a Saudi women’s rights document, the other Brit proudly announced ‘But is it intersectional, does it consider transwomen?’. After a thorough explanation as to what a ‘transwoman’ was, the Chinese students were absolutely baffled, laughing among themselves. It was pretty embarrassing! They found the notion hilarious.

Twaw

But she did admit that such people going into rape crisis centres or participating in women's sport felt very uncomfortable for her

We know one transman though, which makes the whole thing harder as you see the personal struggle of that child and that colours how you think of transpeople as a class

Mine seem to be just so accepting, doesn't bother them at all what someone feels, they don't understand my unease with trans, one of my DD's has dated a trans man has no issues with it. I do discuss it but they can't see why I want female spaces because they couldn't care less if men are in the same toilets/changing rooms/hostel dorms. It's a different generation and they do practice what they preach

“ It's a different generation and they do practice what they preach”

This.

Because the GC posters here have such diverse views

I bet you're also disappointed at the 'lack of diversity' in views that the earth isn't flat, the sun and other planets don't revolve around the earth, and vaccines don't cause autism.

It was pretty embarrassing! They found the notion hilarious.

not a chinese but one comes from asia, i can guarantee that.

I have a first year univ student DS and a yr11 DS. The univ student says there’s some wokeness at his uni, but he steers clear, he knows the difference between male and female - funnily enough we were having a little chat about male differences and he said he had a lightbulb moment when they went for a ‘house’ walk around midnight into a field/wood or something and the girls were so excited to be able to go out at night and said to him they wouldn’t normally do that as a lone girl, it had never crossed his mind before that a girl may think differently about taking a moonlight stroll just for the hell of it, than he would as a strong, fit young man.

Younger DS thinks it’s all a load of nonsense. We joke about Usain Bolt, if he were to come back now as a woman sprinter (Ursula Bolt) and thrash all the young girls coming up, or Andy Murray in tennis etc.

So - yes both DS disagree with the twaw mantra.

I don’t know any university students but I used to be an academic and know lots of lecturers, and most of them are so woke it hurts, publicly at least.

Nonny you forgot the 2+2=5. All GC posters on here must state this. Perhaps you missed the memo?

I think it’s a combination of

Thinking women have equality in society - Hahahaha I thought that once too

Wanting to be kind - my niece has lessons on kindness & they get awards in class for being kind. It makes me shudder tbh. I don’t think girls need to be taught to be kind but to be firm!

Thinking anyone over 40 is by definition a pearl clutching prude who couldn’t possibly understand anything about sex, gender and identity. They think they invented this shit! They think everyone born before 2000 just completely accepted gender stereotypes and no men wore Male up or dresses and no women challenged ‘femininity’. They might be aware of the odd person through history transwashing e.g stonewall riots but that’s it

Have 2 woke DC-can not even discuss with DC who just finished first year of Uni. Makes me so sad and exhausted...

Have hope because middle DC (who did a science degree funnily enough) isn't buying in to the madness.

My lot have no time for it at all. They think it's ridiculous and that the people who blindly follow this ideology are either dim or brainwashed.

2 at university and very pleased to report that, despite the current lack of critical thinking happening in universities today, they are both very capable of thinking critically and so see through this ideology. They know it is about men's rights.

My biomedical graduate explained to me how it works, I think it came up during the neuroscience module. So agree with the scientific/physiological side of things but we both were not sure how that translates into legality, like prisons and rape crisis centres.

Has anyone tried telling your kids you believe the earth is flat?

Also it’s easy to practice what you preach in a friendship group of people you know where you’re not at risk (or at very low risk)

I shared beds with Male friends at university because I trusted them. That doesn’t mean I’d go around sharing beds with men I didn’t know

It’s funny, I think university aged girls are very sexist in their own way. Theyre very quick to call out toxic behaviour from boys who present as stereotypically Male and are very aware of sexually being at risk from them but the moment a boy grows his hair and puts on make up, he’s seen as non threatening and less sexual 🤔 and they are we’re the ones who stereotype....

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“ They all seem like one group who all say the same things, think the same way....”

Because the GC posters here have such diverse views

I don't think it's surprising that feminists on a feminist board have similar opinions on gender. But we don't just talk to each other, you know. We do interact with other people outside MN!