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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pronoun rules at work

103 replies

RatinaMaze · 10/07/2020 13:16

My workplace have just announced that “they/their” pronouns will be used for all staff members by default now. Apparently this neutral pronoun removes any unintentional offence and normalises non-binary colleagues. There is a caveat though; staff members who have transitioned may feel upset by not being able to use the pronoun aligned to their gender so, in these cases, the individuals can use he/him or she/her as appropriate.

Let me repeat this. Biological men and women are no longer allowed to use he/she pronouns in the workplace but transpeople are.

You know what would normalise non-binary? Encouraging bio-males to use he/him and bio females to use she/her but doing so while wearing what they want and pursuing whatever hobbies they want. Susan in Accounts might have shaved her head, wears no make-up and enjoys taking cars apart at the weekend while Mike in Marketing might wear eyeliner and/or a dress and spend his evening decorating cupcakes. That is called having a personality and it is already normal. I don’t know anyone who lives every minute of their lives in a way that adheres to the stereotype of the gender norm that society has associated with their biological sex. We are all non-binary, except we don’t call it that because it is a normal state. We don’t need to impose pronouns to normalise this.

I can't speak up. I can't afford to lose my job.

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queenofknives · 10/07/2020 13:18

This is so illiberal. I really, really hope this doesn't happen in my workplace. I hope people will just ignore it, if at all possible.

Sexnotgender · 10/07/2020 13:19

That’s dreadful! So a woman can’t use she/her but a man can?

ImpossibleSoul · 10/07/2020 13:19

This can’t be real? Is it a large company or a small one? Which country? What sort of field?

Surely an HR dept would not approve this rule?

ShinyFootball · 10/07/2020 13:20

The bit where the only people who won't be they/ them are trans people is very illogical!

BuffaloCauliflower · 10/07/2020 13:22

More absolute fuckery. Completely agree OP. Is there any way you can speak up in a careful way. Make it clear your preferred pronouns are she/her?

Pumpkinsarepurple · 10/07/2020 13:22

Surely that discriminatory in itself, as this rule would literally out transpeople in the workforce by singling them out for different treatment?

IrenetheQuaint · 10/07/2020 13:23

I'd say this is discrimination against trans people as there is a clear intention to treat them differently from non-trans people. Clear breach of Equalities Act.

Mumoblue · 10/07/2020 13:24

What?
I don't understand this. I thought we had to be sensitive about pronoun use but "they/them" can be slapped on everyone without their consent?

isabellerossignol · 10/07/2020 13:24

Surely an HR dept would not approve this rule?

I could easily believe that an HR department would approve this. There are some crazy rules in my workplace regarding the issues with transwomen and women.

PuppyMonkey · 10/07/2020 13:25

So in effect, anyone who still uses “he or she” will be identified for all to see as a trans person - will they want that or wouldn’t they prefer not to stand out like a sore thumb?Confused

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 10/07/2020 13:26

What Irene said. It’s clearly stigmatising trams people .

Alonelonelyloner · 10/07/2020 13:26

This is ludicrous.
Have they a twitter account? I'm happy to just post a 'is this true?!' Tweet

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 10/07/2020 13:27

I’d say I’m trans - who can prove otherwise.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 10/07/2020 13:27

Clearly this is the moment where you reveal yourself as a transwoman? Amazing job your surgeon did...you pass completely!

Sexnotgender · 10/07/2020 13:27

@Pumpkinsarepurple

Surely that discriminatory in itself, as this rule would literally out transpeople in the workforce by singling them out for different treatment?
I was going to say the same thing!

It’s so arse about face.

RatinaMaze · 10/07/2020 13:29

It's absolutely real, I promise. We're a particular division of a large UK company so I don't know if this is just us or a nationwide decision. I don't want to say any more than this about my work as don't want to be outed here.

Our Head of Diversity and Inclusion is NB as are at least two other colleagues of which I am aware.

The communication has been worded quite carefully. Neutral pronouns will be the default but anyone can opt out if they want - they've then given the example of trans people who will want to opt out and be proud of their preferred gender based pronouns before waffling on about how it would be really nice if the rest of us use They in order to normalise NB folk. So basically, opt out if you want but if you it will signal your terfdom.

Just a thought though - if we all use They, how will the NBs be able to signal that they are more special than everyone else?

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RednaxelasLunch · 10/07/2020 13:31

Zhe/zhey for the NB I guess?

Cascade220 · 10/07/2020 13:32

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AntsInPenzance · 10/07/2020 13:36

What will the company do if everyone opts out?

DeRigueurMortis · 10/07/2020 13:37

So not only are we expected to use the pronouns other people dictate but they can also dictate ours?

I couldn't keep quiet about this but I understand your position OP.

I just hope someone else at work challenges this crap.

SerenityNowwwww · 10/07/2020 13:37

So anyone who is offended by being called they/them is supposed to do what?

AntsInPenzance · 10/07/2020 13:38

@SpartacusAutisticus

I would ask if they've considered the stigmatising impact of different pronoun rules based on (what's alleged to be) membership of a disadvantaged group.
Not different rules as far as I can see, OP clarified anyone can opt out of using they/them.
custodiandiscount · 10/07/2020 13:40

Tell them your gender is fluid and your pronouns may change from one day to the next. By not allowing you to use your preferred pronouns they are committing literal violence toward GenderFluid people such as yourself.

Nandakanda · 10/07/2020 13:48

What a load of wank.

This is what you get when you create positions like "Head of Diversity and Inclusion".

Inthemuckheap · 10/07/2020 13:49

WTAF. I would refuse to be known or referred to as they/their.

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