Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.

[Kelcat9494]

Hello,

Firstly I want to say I am not attacking anyone on this forum and I expect the same respect as we are all entitled to an opinion and I am genuinely interested in the reasons why transgender people get so much hate on here:

Firstly I see a lot about not wanting to share bathrooms with trans women as it's a women's safe space - I don't really understand this because to be honest when I'm sat in the cubicle doing my business, I don't think about the persons genitals next to me, it's all very private as you know. The only thing we'd share is the sinks and I don't see a problem with that really. I did read a post about a abuse survivor not wanting to the share the bathroom with someone with a penis (I'm really sorry that the person went through the abuse but that isn't trans people's fault, the fault is with the abuser alone) but in reality a trans person is more at risk in the bathroom and you have no idea whether they are pre op or post op as again in the bathrooms I've been in we don't show each other our genitalia. They are genuinely just doing their human business in the same room as you so don't understand the problem, actually I suppose people are afraid some odd men would use being transgender as an excuse to use the woman's bathroom but that's not trans women's fault also by this logic if we don't want trans women in the bathroom then we should have transmen in there (either pre op or post op), I've posted some pictures below of transmen and woman, would you really want the trans women in men's bathroom and the transmen in the womens?? (I can only post three but you get my point).

I know JKRowling posted about periods and a lot of people jumped on it to say only women have periods and whatever, this isn't true though is it? Some biological women aren't able to have periods or carry a pregnancy or be able to give birth so if we don't see that as a problem as we recognise it's a biological issue then why is trans-men having a period a problem and trans women not having one an issue? And who actually cares? There's enough tampax to go around, maybe let's focus on making them free for women and transmen as I for one is sick of paying for a "luxury item" I need every month due to no fault of my own.

I can't think of anymore off the top of my head that's been posted but anything in the comments I'm happy to reply to but I genuinely think this forum needs to consider what transgender people actually go through, imagine not feeling like you're in the right body, being attacked and hated for who you are and it's obviously not for fun and games because transgender people actually commit suicide over the issues they face remember #bekind and really think how sharing a bathroom or sharing a tampax would affect you? I don't think you'd kill yourself over it.

Okay fair enough, from some of the posts I've read that comes up on the "active" page seemed hateful towards trans-people, I was just wondering why, obviously I can see it's not coming from a place of hate and I obviously have some things to learn as maybe they are certain things I haven't considered. I've just never understood the bathroom and period issues, maybe I need to look more into that and other issues. Personally I was under the impression as long as you weren't hurting anyone or being immoral then it was okay to just do you but maybe this isn't the case and there's more things to consider. I will make a point to educate myself, I posted to understand the hate and now I understand there's no hate but a concern for woman. Thank you for the insight, I'll keep learning and trying to figure out internally what's the best way to feel and act for everyone involved.

Oh, the klaxons gone off

I don't want to share tampax with anyone, tbh, no matter what their sex is or how they identify.

Btw, Buck Angel, the trans man in your first picture is not down with TRA bs either. You might want to talk to him about why he 'hates trans people'.

So your ex wouldn't go in to a toilet marked female to get to you if he really wanted to?

Not mine. It was nice to have some respite occasionally. Because the social contract used to be that men stay out. My abusive partner used to wait outside. Many women have said this. Please don't use your ill thought out internet gotchas to proclaim on matters of which you are ignorant.

"imagine ... being attacked and hated for who you are"

GC women and men are actually attacked, physically and mentally, receive incredibly amounts of hate, abuse, threats from TRA's.

We are seen as inhuman for questioning Gender ideology. We can't meet without being hounded, we are limited to what we can say. Some have lost their jobs, some have been arrested all because they stated biological reality.

So yes, imagine being attacked and hated for being who you are but you don't mean us now do you.

It isn't individual transpeople that are a problem - it's the trans movement and the trans extremists that are the problem. They are denying any possibility of debate, even to the point of no-platforming or abusing those who dare to express a different point of view. They are going over the heads of parents to influence vulnerable children that they have the right to make irreparable changes to their bodies when these children aren't old enough to make other, less serious, life choices.

Lurk more, op

hahahhahahahhahahhaha - yeah right - you sound exactly like someone who says i'm not a racist but - or I have no problem with gay people but they shouldn't be allowed to get married

Not quite-gay people getting married doesn’t affect my rights or anyone else’s rights AT ALL. Trans women (and, lets be honest, unpleasant men taking advantage of a law change) competing against me in professional sport, to their economic benefit, does affect my rights as a woman.

that's it, I'm now in favour of doing away with all safeguarding because nasty people will try really hard to do nasty things

I know, right? I think what these people don't understand is the answer is no.

No.

I'm just a big transphobe though. Like how I transphobically spent all my money and time and professional skill so he could live like he wanted.

I just hate them that much.

I definitely hate the trans friends who are willing to stand up and back me up on how abusive and manipulative he is.

I dont think some people understand the lengths abusers will go to to abuse but NOT look the victim. If he did it as a man he loses any victim status. It's that simple.

impression of trans people are those who don't identify with the gender of their body and go through procedures (whether it be the full blown transition or taking medication) to make them identify more with the gender they feel they are.

But bodies don't have a gender. They have a sex, which is coded in every cell.

Gender is a social structure.

We don't segregate facilities by 'gender' because it's completely subjective.

We segregate toilets (mostly; nowt wrong with additional unisex provision) by sex, because a) women need spaces where they are vulnerable to be off limits to men, who if they are decent men fully respect this whatever their personal gender feels & b) men find it convenient to use urinals, which are no use to women, so the sex segregated facilities are slightly different in design.

By the way, Buck Angel is a crap gotcha - they are very clear that they are biologically female. Welcome in the Ladies any time.

not sure why the fuck I still have a profile on this toxic site tbh! I like it on here but all the anti trans stuff is so weird - it's a real shame that this has taken over and it's pushing genuine users who want fucking parenting advice or support away!

I'm learning but my impression of trans people are those who don't identify with the gender of their body and go through procedures (whether it be the full blown transition or taking medication) to make them identify more with the gender they feel they are.

This assumes that everyone else “identifies with the gender of their body”. Most of us don’t identify as anything (and so by the definition of the trans umbrella are non-binary or something). We only accept that our sexed bodies have an impact on the way we live our life and the way others treat us.

As you would know if you’d bothered to read even one of the hundreds/thousands of threads already on this very informative forum. Maybe before starting your own thread to question the motives of everyone else posting on here, you would do well to do some of this “learning” independently rather than expecting us all to spoon feed you. We may be Mumsnet but we’re not all mums and those of us who are have had enough of pandering to other people and expect our leisure time to be interesting and enjoyable, not more bloody emotional parenting of people who can’t be bothered to do the work themselves. Have a little read - “the break it down for me” thread for example, and then maybe start another thread when you’re more informed.

You write my impression of trans people are those who don't identify with the gender of their body and go through procedures (whether it be the full blown transition or taking medication).

You do realise that few men who identify as women make any significant medical changes and that fewer than 10% have genital surgery? Most of those who demand access to women only spaces have fully functional male bodies. And they commit male pattern crime. Men commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime and nearly all sex crime.

There are very good reasons for sex segregation when women and girls are unclothed, asleep or otherwise vulnerable. Why should we agree to making those spaces mixed sex?

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Oh please try to behave like a grown up if you expect people to take you seriously and engage in any kind of debate with you. If you're merely here to bait and screenshot hunt then I'll go and find something else to do.

There’s is no hate here for trans people. It absolutely none of my business how anyone else chooses to live their life and I will do everything I can to support anyone who in need.

I centre women in my life. Women’s rights, women’s safety and any interest of concern to women come first.

I will not set myself on fire to keep you warm.
I am totally comfortable with my stance and I make no explanation or apology for that.

Okay fair enough, from some of the posts I've read that comes up on the "active" page seemed hateful towards trans-people

Can you be specific? What was hateful about them?

Can you imagine a reason Op, why feminists might object to a company whose board of directors are 100% Eton alumni being able to claim a 50/50 gender split on said board?

One thing that you need to get to grips with OP is that dislike of the gender identity ideology, for example people can change sex just because they declare it so, is not the same as disliking trans people.

Posts that express a dislike of trans people get deleted from here pretty quickly and while they are up they tend to attract criticism from regular posters.

@Kelcat9494

Okay fair enough, from some of the posts I've read that comes up on the "active" page seemed hateful towards trans-people, I was just wondering why, obviously I can see it's not coming from a place of hate and I obviously have some things to learn as maybe they are certain things I haven't considered. I've just never understood the bathroom and period issues, maybe I need to look more into that and other issues. Personally I was under the impression as long as you weren't hurting anyone or being immoral then it was okay to just do you but maybe this isn't the case and there's more things to consider. I will make a point to educate myself, I posted to understand the hate and now I understand there's no hate but a concern for woman. Thank you for the insight, I'll keep learning and trying to figure out internally what's the best way to feel and act for everyone involved.

No worries, OP.

You're not the first person to wade into the debate, without really being fully apprised of everything.

It's not easy, so fortunately, others before you have done the same.

This thread here is the result.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

The only transwomen I come close to hating are the convicted sex offenders who manipulate their way into women's prison and offend there as well.

Interesting that you put a photo of Buck Angel up. Buck agrees with JK Rowling...I’d suggest you have a look on Twitter and see what’s been said.

not sure why the fuck I still have a profile on this toxic site tbh! I like it on here but all the anti trans stuff is so weird - it's a real shame that this has taken over and it's pushing genuine users who want fucking parenting advice or support away!

Pretty sure you can hide whole topics, and avoid threads?

@KaptenKrusty

not sure why the fuck I still have a profile on this toxic site tbh! I like it on here but all the anti trans stuff is so weird - it's a real shame that this has taken over and it's pushing genuine users who want fucking parenting advice or support away!

"taking over"? its a single board on a massive forum that you're not obliged to look at.

Thanks for the nice pics. If those people are transgender they've obviously spent years and presumably tens of thousands of pounds on transforming their appearance, from an already genetically blessed baseline.

How many ordinary trans people present this way? Women can tell. Men will always look, sound, breathe and smell like men unless they go through extreme processes.