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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.

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Kelcat9494 · 05/07/2020 11:35

Hello,

Firstly I want to say I am not attacking anyone on this forum and I expect the same respect as we are all entitled to an opinion and I am genuinely interested in the reasons why transgender people get so much hate on here:

Firstly I see a lot about not wanting to share bathrooms with trans women as it's a women's safe space - I don't really understand this because to be honest when I'm sat in the cubicle doing my business, I don't think about the persons genitals next to me, it's all very private as you know. The only thing we'd share is the sinks and I don't see a problem with that really. I did read a post about a abuse survivor not wanting to the share the bathroom with someone with a penis (I'm really sorry that the person went through the abuse but that isn't trans people's fault, the fault is with the abuser alone) but in reality a trans person is more at risk in the bathroom and you have no idea whether they are pre op or post op as again in the bathrooms I've been in we don't show each other our genitalia. They are genuinely just doing their human business in the same room as you so don't understand the problem, actually I suppose people are afraid some odd men would use being transgender as an excuse to use the woman's bathroom but that's not trans women's fault also by this logic if we don't want trans women in the bathroom then we should have transmen in there (either pre op or post op), I've posted some pictures below of transmen and woman, would you really want the trans women in men's bathroom and the transmen in the womens?? (I can only post three but you get my point).

I know JKRowling posted about periods and a lot of people jumped on it to say only women have periods and whatever, this isn't true though is it? Some biological women aren't able to have periods or carry a pregnancy or be able to give birth so if we don't see that as a problem as we recognise it's a biological issue then why is trans-men having a period a problem and trans women not having one an issue? And who actually cares? There's enough tampax to go around, maybe let's focus on making them free for women and transmen as I for one is sick of paying for a "luxury item" I need every month due to no fault of my own.

I can't think of anymore off the top of my head that's been posted but anything in the comments I'm happy to reply to but I genuinely think this forum needs to consider what transgender people actually go through, imagine not feeling like you're in the right body, being attacked and hated for who you are and it's obviously not for fun and games because transgender people actually commit suicide over the issues they face remember #bekind and really think how sharing a bathroom or sharing a tampax would affect you? I don't think you'd kill yourself over it.

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TehBewilderness · 31/07/2020 20:55

@CatandtheFiddle

As any good second-waver will tell you, the personal is the political

As an actual second wave feminist and a woman (born a girl, raised in patriarchy), I find it interesting the way that trans ideology misunderstands that slogan. Mostly because they do not have the experience of being born & raised female in patriarchy ...

You wouldn't think it could be obscured to the point where you had to be there to get it, and yet here we are.
TehBewilderness · 31/07/2020 21:17

I never quite understand why d00dz post negative reviews of Feminism and Mumsnet on FWR.
If I had that much to say about something I hope I would have the common sense to post it where it might be read by people interested in my pov. It must be "a guy thing". That is what my kids used to say when they did something absurd or irrational. It's a guy thing.

imhereforthesanity · 04/08/2020 06:42

@Gurufloof and worst of all, his crime would go down as being carried out as a women, so against our stats!

Gurufloof · 04/08/2020 06:59

imhereforthesanity

Yup, the stats thing too. Suddenly there will be millions more women stalkers and gvmt departments will scratch their heads and wonder why women have suddenly changed en mass.
Currently quiet on the stalker front. Not sure if I should worry more because hes plotting or just be relieved for now.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/08/2020 14:10

Incidentally, I tend to assume that if someone calls a place to wash your hands a basin they are English, if they call it a sink they are American. To me the sink is where I wash vegetables and the dishes and sometimes my wellies, not a place to wash my hands after I have a pee. Is this wrong? Has "sink" now become a wash-basin in England too?

FloralBunting · 04/08/2020 15:53

I'd clarify kitchen sink or bathroom sink, but I would mostly use sink, yes, and I'm as English as the Mendip hills.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/08/2020 16:00

Interesting. So sink has now also become the word for a hand-washing basin as found in a bathroom or lavatory, in England. There used to be a distinction.

FloralBunting · 04/08/2020 16:01

I might occasionally use 'wash basin' but it feels a bit posh, actually. Not sure why.

Deliriumoftheendless · 04/08/2020 16:03

I don’t know the difference between a sick and a wash basin but I do know the difference between a buffalo and a bison Smile

SerenityNowwwww · 04/08/2020 16:04

I know the difference between a weasel and a stoat...

DialSquare · 04/08/2020 16:06

I've always used sink. I obviously know what someone would mean if they used basin but everyone I grew up with uses the word sink. Could it be regional?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/08/2020 18:42

Maybe it's the association with the utensil you hold for someone to be sick into. That has surely never been a sink?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/08/2020 18:43

"I do know the difference between a buffalo and a bison"

How about between a moose and an elk?

334bu · 04/08/2020 19:07

In West of Scotland most of us would say sink; bathroom sink, kitchen sink.

FloralBunting · 04/08/2020 19:08

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Maybe it's the association with the utensil you hold for someone to be sick into. That has surely never been a sink?
No, in our house it's a tub. "Get a tub for your sister, she looks a bit green around the gills!"
334bu · 04/08/2020 19:11

In Glasgow we know the difference between a "moose" and a cat not so sure about an elk?

DialSquare · 04/08/2020 19:14

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Maybe it's the association with the utensil you hold for someone to be sick into. That has surely never been a sink?
That would have been a bucket or an old washing up bowl in my family! I com from a London working class family and remember living in a few rooms in a house that had a shared bathroom with the others living in the house when I was very young. My parents and grandparents would have had outside toilets growing up so there was only one sink which would have been the kitchen sink. Maybe that's where it comes from.
PopperUppleton · 04/08/2020 19:38

I know the difference between a buffalo and a bison too Grin

Luaa · 04/08/2020 20:00

I've never in my life used the word basin. Always sink. Rarely would I even say kitchen or bathroom sink, just sink.

TheGoogleMum · 04/08/2020 20:04

I would say sink and I've always lived in England. I'm not posh though. In my head a basin is bigger than a sink? No idea why

Gurufloof · 04/08/2020 20:07

Surely its a sink in the kitchen but a basin in the bathroom?

Size, shape, material used give it the name?

334bu · 04/08/2020 23:30

My mother always used "basin" for a washing up bowl. If you were feeling sick you were given a "basin" just in case.

TehBewilderness · 05/08/2020 03:25

A basin has no drain, whereas a sink does have a drain.

BatShite · 05/08/2020 12:46

Bathroom sink and kitche sink.

Bowl/bucket for puke.

midgebabe · 05/08/2020 13:02

A basin is where you mix your cakes?