Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

[MadBadDaddy]

Hi! TRA here! Thought I'd take a quick breather from all the crowing, high-fiving, etc. to throw a lifeline to any actual open-minded critical thinkers wondering why Reddit banned r/gendercritical. Basically, you have 2 options when it comes to what to believe:

1. It's a true conspiracy: silicon valley, hollywood & the media are in the thrall of the well-funded TransAgenda, the need for woke points, child-groomers, women-haters, MRAs, etc. etc.

1. r/GenderCritical was hateful - if you want evidence then go to r/GenderCynical which existed to harvest said hatefulness. Read their strictly enforced rules about hate speech, misogyny, anti-feminism, pile-ons, doxxing, etc. (NB: abbreviating "trans exclusionary radical feminist" is not considered hate speech on this subreddit) and then sort their posts by "top" and "all time" and judge for yourself.

The trans men, trans women and non-binary people of Reddit do not hate women and do not tolerate abuse. Have a better day. x

@midclegs

Speaking to friends today I see this thread has successfully peaked quite a few. Thank you OP.

You're welcome. Generalising individuals is what got us here in the first place.

"No, because it attacks what I am, not what I believe."

As far as I can see, that's still an ideological question, and you are just question-begging the issue. You appear to be saying you are harmed (or upset anyway) just because some women disagree with you, and that's an attack on your identity... but that doesn't escape it being a controversial matter of belief.

I was called an incestuous child molester several times in several different ways by some GC Twitter troll after I'd mentioned I had a daughter.
Why would what happens on twitter be relevant to MN (or even reddit gender critical)?
Was it a man or a woman who said that?

Noone is generalizing individuals. Adult human females share experiences adult human males don't (and vice versa). That is just a fact, not a generalization.

I wish you could be proud of the person you are and the history you have, rather than rewriting the history I have to suit you

By which I mean multiple sexual assaults, horrible periods, birth injuries, breast lumps, and various other things males don't experience.

Similarly I bet you've experienced way dreams, unwanted erections, bullying and shame for being GNC that I haven't.

WET dreams ffs

With the toilets issue, yes you could just divide them along the lines of biological sex rather than gender, but...

I wonder how many here could live with post-operation trans sharing the space? (So not self ID, and not if you have a wang.)

I doubt the odd trans man will bother men that much; although I accept that the situation is (understandably) more threatening for women. But if they have gone to the trouble of having it removed, is it really so threatening?

Generalising individuals is what got us here in the first place

The whole push of gender identity politicisation right the way from the Yogyakarta Principles to the Maria Miller 2016 private members bill to change gender reassignment to gender identity is a "generalisation of individuals."

It's a huge land grab being made by males to generalise the wants of males as unchallengable facts in complete disregard for any need or wants of females. The political strategy we can all see very clearly has generalised the terms of reference. If you take issues with generalisation then you are with us, not against us. We object to this totalitarian generalisation and if it means you lose your individuality, take it up with the owners of "gender identity". They made this into a generalised problem, not us.

Me me me me.

The kiss at the end of each post, OP, is entirely unnecessary, and quite unsettling, btw.

But if they have gone to the trouble of having it removed, is it really so threatening?

Are you suggesting we have a pants monitor in loos? Or some kind of ID that anyone can ask to see?

I’m not sure how else you’d know someone had a ‘wang’ or not, and trying to find out is both creepy, and dehumanising.

I’m happy to stick to male / female sex based loos thanks. But will campaign for 3rd spaces for transgendered people if that’s what they want.

Also, OP, you've got a nerve coming here to posit yourself as the victim of women through lies, appeals to emotion, and passive aggressive spin.

You wanna 'be' a woman? Deal with that shitty male socialisation that allows you to come gloating into feminist space to crow about the censorship of women's voices while simultaneously twisting yourself into the persecuted.

An absolute nerve.

I wonder how many here could live with post-operation trans sharing the space?

I'm sure a lot of us could .... except for knowing that there are some women who can't . So, sharing clearly isn't the correct solution for women, as it would exclude some of us.

We know that there are massive differences between the strands of "transgender". Five minutes of reading the threads here will show you how much. We are the parents of children affected by this. We are pushing back on the generalisation.

The only way we can do this is going back to ground zero. We are here because the "identity" surge, deliberately orchestrated, has pushed us here.

You simply cannot make the whole world believe the generalisation, the world is becoming more secular by the day and that does not equip you with fertile ground for growth of transcendental beliefs.

Women are not "men-without-penises", and men without penises are not women.

Even if we ignore the fact that most transwomen don't remove their penis - terms like 'post-op' and 'surgery' often do not relate to genital surgery. After all, breast implants are surgery.

I think it's fucking awful for society to say that if a man gets his cock chopped off that it makes him a woman. But boys and men have been called girls for failing to be masculine enough for a long time now. Same old, same old.

I’m happy to stick to male / female sex based loos thanks. But will campaign for 3rd spaces for transgendered people if that’s what they want.

Some do - there's a petition on the Petitions board if anyone's not seen it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard

HeistSociety lets hope your post doesn’t get deleted. I got deleted for posting about the ‘grey rock’ method.

@HeistSociety

Me me me me.

The kiss at the end of each post, OP, is entirely unnecessary, and quite unsettling, btw.

Sorry, its a habit. I'm old. And it's not a kiss, akshewally, it's the Nordic rune 'Gifu' which means a gift or an exchange.

But boys and men have been called girls for failing to be masculine enough for a long time now. Same old, same old.

Absolutely. When my gay male friends sneeringly call effeminate gay men "girls" they are telling me everything they believe about "transgender".

Deleting comments about shitty male socialisation might salve the feelings of a person characterised thus, but it doesn't make my perception of said maleness any less true.

I understand it would be enraging for a woman to simply not see you as you see yourself.

Perhaps the OP could take it on board as a type of helpful correction - to appear less male to women, spend more time thinking about your own words and behaviour, and less time policing women.

Whatever the ''kiss' is, OP, please don't do it.
It gives me the cognitive dissonance creeps.

ErrolTheDragon

Oh, that’s fab

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3752551-Petition-for-third-spaces-Fionne-Miranda

Thread started by a transwoman to highlight a petition created by two other transwomen for third spaces. I will sign. Thanks for highlighting here.

Generalising individuals is what got us here in the first place

Very true, all just people and generalising/lumping together isn't good

Whatever else it might or might not be "TWAW" is society's cost-effective solution. You might win an argument, but you'll never beat the bean-counters.

And this for fucks sake. I don't think I have ever seen such a trite justification for the overriding of female consent and boundaries in writing. Too expensive eh?

What you might struggle with here is that outside of construction there is majority of females in accounting. So that nasty throw away bean counter remark on a feminist chat board is a bit of a red rag.

@MadBadDaddy

postingintotheabyss You're right, in hindsight it was probably not the best time or place for levity. Twitter trolls don't seem to come to Reddit though, which was the point which lead to my comment. If it makes you feel any better, I was called an incestuous child molester several times in several different ways by some GC Twitter troll after I'd mentioned I had a daughter. Would you like a screenshot? Feel free to trivialise that.

Oh, it was levity.

That’s okay then. Perfectly fine to barge into a forum - where women have explained how sickened and scared they are at the hideous sexualised threats they’re subjected to online, just for trying to stand up for their rights - and to make a cheap joke about being, what? disappointed? envious? that men aren’t sending those messages to you?

Levity, eh? Ha.

Just a sorry, was all I was after.

And no, hearing about your experience doesn’t make me feel better - what a bizarre thing to say. But I wouldn’t dream of trivialising it - that’s just not in my nature, see.

When my gay male friends sneeringly call effeminate gay men "girls" they are telling me everything they believe about "transgender"

Eh? How?
Genuine question bit confused by that with no explanation
I'm straight and not trans either, but how does being gay have anything to do with being trans?
They're two separate things surely.
Men can be men, women can be women and sexuality has no bearing on being trans at all as far as I know.

Deary me Lemonade, it's written in plain English.