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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Glinner · 27/06/2020 23:51

That bloke in Labour who looks at women like he's seen a rat has outdone himself here.

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SophocIestheFox · 28/06/2020 06:23

Much as I’d like to see this odious little toad sacked and sent off with his tail between his legs, and much as I enjoyed RLB being shuffled off to political oblivion, I am uneasy about demanding people be sacked for things they’ve said in newspapers.

One of my objections to identity politics is this urge to purge wrong thinkers and unbelievers and I’m really wary of using the same tactics because I don’t think it makes for grown up politics at all.

I might be wrong, of course, and I may be missing something. This is clearly horrid misogyny, and this wee fella is no friend to women. Sacking him would send a strong message that the LP under Kier won’t tolerate the ongoing misogyny in the party in the same way that punting RLB sent that message on anti semitism. But if that’s what’s required, then I am entirely confident that it won’t happen, because the LP are not ready or willing to send that message.

BovaryX · 28/06/2020 06:47

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

It's going to be interesting. Who wins on reverse privilege?
Quite. What an ugly spectacle. This guy is happy to dismiss JKR's personal experience of sexual abuse and accuse her of promoting hate. For talking about women's rights. How did we get here? This is a familiar script. It is reminiscent of the response to Priti Patel's experience of racism. The ugliness and bigotry of identity politics keeps being exposed.
Random63638 · 28/06/2020 06:56

At a guess I'd say he won't be sacked, possibly reprimanded and asked to apologise/retract what he said. I think that Starmer is smart, he might keep this twit to let him dig his own hole? The more people are exposed to the nonsense the more they will peak, and lose the sympathy they thought they had - at least that's what happened to me so I hope it can be repeated.

Also - love the unicorns upthread, very true!

FloralBunting · 28/06/2020 07:24

I don't want people sacked, I want the Labour party to acknowledge that women matter in their own right and say that the party is committed to protect our rights. What is it worth if a nasty bully loses his job, but the party still campaigns on his Anti-Woman viewpoint?

PronounssheRa · 28/06/2020 07:30

What a vile man.

God knows why he was put in the shadow cabinet in the first place, he isn't terribly bright, that Tribune article is full of errors.

But he is typical of the misogyny running through the current Labour party.

LangClegTheBeardedVulture · 28/06/2020 07:54

He is my local MP and I went to see him In September 2018 to talk about the concerns I have about reforming the GRA, after receiving some highly disappointing emails from him.

He did most of the talking, basically telling me how wrong I was. At one point I told him I was a rape survivor. Nice to know he thinks I was weaponising my experience.

Here’s my contemporary notes from that meeting which I posted at the time in a private forum. Enjoy:

I had a 20 minute appointment with him and his two assistants- one, an older woman and the other your typical Brighton hippie left wing type. I was in there for an hour.

He did most of the talking but I already knew that would be the case because his previous two appointments were women and I heard them being talked all over as well.

Firstly, he loves the sound of his own fucking voice. Does. Not. Just. Shut. Up. Also, like a good politician, he managed to bibble on ad fucking nauseum without addressing the cunting fucking point- I talk about female prisoners being sexually assaulted by Karen White and suddenly he wants to talk about the wider problems in prisons. THIS IS NOT WHY I AM HERE YOU FUCKING BELL END. However he did seem surprised when I told him half of transwomen prisoners were category A or sex offenders so I slid the FairPlay for Women report at him.

SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEVER ENDING FUCKERY

  1. He thinks there should be safeguards, or course... but then he envisages the process of changing sex legally should only be a little bit more difficult than applying for a passport or changing your name by deed poll. That’s right folks, just get two of your pervy friends to sign off on it (as long as they’ve got a good job) and it’s showers with the girls from here on it!

  2. Pointing out transwomen have penises on national television is horrible and makes trans people feel unsafe. Oh boo fucking hoo. You know what makes me feel unfucking safe? DICKS. IN MY FEMALE SPACES.

  3. We’re working to get to a place where biology doesn’t matter. BUT IT ALWAYS DOES MATTER DOESN’T IT YOU FUCKING POLTROON WHEN ONE OF US HAS BABIES, IS SMALLER AND PHYSICALLY WEAKER

  4. Me: “women have an unpatchable security vulnerability- OUR VAGINAS” (thanks, Haxxor from Mumsnet, for this rather lovely turn of phrase.)

  5. Me: “So what’s the nastiest and most abusive thing someone has said to you, Lloyd, about your stance in this debate?”
    LRM: “Well, I don’t know about abusive. I’ve been called a misogynist and that I’m going to enable rape.”
    Me: “Oh, that’s terrible... so (consults bit of paper)... no one has told you that you should be fucked to death with a broken bottle? Because that’s what women who hold my point of view get told when we express our opinions.” crickets

  6. “Men get raped too.” GOOD SWEET GODDESS GIVE ME STRENGTH

  7. Me: “I do not understand why someone who was happy with a penis would feel like a woman and want to be in women’s spaces. I just don’t.”
    LRM’s Hippie Assistant: “That’s because you aren’t a Transwomen.”
    Me: “No. But I have been raped BY A PENIS which has somewhat coloured my view of having them in my vicinity.”

  8. I asked about women’s sport. I asked about how it would be fair for women to compete against transwomen when their biology gives them an unfair advantage. He started off on Caster Semenya and then went on about how certain ethnic groups are better at running and we don’t segregate by race so why should we by biological sex? BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL GET IN THE BIN!!!!

  9. I said that it’s funny that there are campaigns to get sex segregated toilets in countries like India in an effort to reduce assault and we’re moving to facilities that will increase assault and then he came out with “Oh well they have self-ID in India with the hirija and it hasn’t increased assault” and then didn’t let me get a word in edgeways to point out a) INDIA IS THE RAPE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD SO HOW WOULD YOU NOTICE AN INCREASE AS A RESULT OF THIS b) INDIA IS A DEEPLY SEXIST, PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY AND HIRIJA ARE NOT SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO WOMEN.

  10. I asked him what was to stop someone with a GRC and a dick going into women’s changing areas an exposing himself under the guise of getting changed. How will we know his intentions? How will women be able to confront that man? He didn’t have an answer for this.

  11. Me: “Have you ever been flashed, Lloyd? Genuinely curious.”
    LRM: “Umm... yes, once, as a matter of fact.”
    Me: “And how was that for you? Because I find it quite disturbing and unpleasant.”
    LRM: “Yes, well, obviously with your history of sexual trauma that’s understandable.”
    Me: “No. It is a deeply violating and frightening thing for a woman to experience IN AND OF ITSELF.”

Jimminy fucking Christmas. Does he think that being flashed is only upsetting if you’ve had previous sexual trauma? Because in that case it should be just fine to flop it out in front of a playground full of 4 year olds.

  1. He brought up Rachael Dolzeal. Apparently what she did was “morally wrong” but he didn’t seem to make the same fucking equivalence with people identifying as the opposite sex.

  2. He gave me a load of POMO bullshit about how we keep dividing us into these little binary groups and that sex is “a spectrum” and I asked him why he thought girls had their genitals mutilated and female babies aborted and how that had fuck all to do with identity. I asked him why he thought women had been oppressed through all of human history and he just blustered past it all like Thomas the fucking Tank Engine.

  3. He mansplained the Patriarchy to me. FUCK ME WE ARE IN THE UPSIDE DOWN.

However it wasn’t a complete waste of time as I managed to peak trans two members of the Rottingdean Bridge Club whilst I was waiting.

RoyalCorgi · 28/06/2020 07:57

I would like to see the misogynistic little shit sacked. No sympathy. The Labour Party is supposed to be a progressive party committed to making society a better place for everyone. There should be no room for people who promote hate against women.

Thehollyandtheirony · 28/06/2020 08:03

What a creep.
These views should not be allowed to stand in a modern political party.
I’m watching, Keir.

Binterested · 28/06/2020 08:03

I agree that we don’t need to purge people for wrongthink. Except that Labour is on bail on this issue and on anti semitism. They need to show they can do the right thing.

Once they have their house in order we can have all kinds of conversations. But at the moment we are not allowed to have any conversation - including, according to Lloyd, about our own sexual assault. Until we have restored normal service and legitimate debate is permitted, Keir needs to demonstrate leadership by coming off the fence.

teawamutu · 28/06/2020 08:13

Yes, this.

Having reflected, I would like to see Starmer state support for women's rights very, VERY clearly.

And I would like to see that smug little shit made to issue a REALLY grovelling apology.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2020 08:32

However it wasn’t a complete waste of time as I managed to peak trans two members of the Rottingdean Bridge Club whilst I was waiting.

GrinThanksBrewlove your descriptions, sympathise with you having to put up with him for an hour!

glomerulus · 28/06/2020 08:32

The thing I'm most astonished about in all this is that he's the Shadow Environment Secretary.... I work in the sector and had no idea, as all I know this guy for is looking disgusted any time a woman has an opinion.

I agree with others that I'd be wary of demanding an instant sacking around this. I think Starmer was spot on sacking RLB on the antisemitism front given the state of the party, but purging for anything we don't agree with seems hypocritical at this stage. Sunlight and a lack of endorsement would be good. A public show of disagreement/reprimand from Starmer would be better still.

borntobequiet · 28/06/2020 08:33

I’ve sent an email.

Siablue · 28/06/2020 08:34

What an absolute shit this man is. The good thing about men who advertise their misogyny this blatantly is that at least you know to avoid them.

Hopefully Kier will get rid of him. He should have a zero tolerance on misogyny as well as anti Semitic but he wouldn’t have anyone left.

borntobequiet · 28/06/2020 08:38

This:

Dear Mr Starmer (realise it should be Sir Keir. Never mind)

This person, who is in your Shadow Cabinet, has disgracefully accused the writer J K Rowling of exploiting her sexual assault to validate her transphobia.

Quite apart from the fact that JKR is not a transphobe, and has made it very clear that her motives in speaking out is to protect single sex spaces for women and girls, the idea that any woman’s sexual assault should be minimised in this way is reprehensible and can only come from a position of contempt and disregard for women.

Sexual assault is not only physically traumatising, and can result in very serious injury, but it is also emotionally traumatising, and can make it very difficult to lead a normal life.
It is very brave of JKR to speak out in this way.

What men often do not realise is that women are always aware of the potential threats from predatory men, and live their lives accordingly. Men are in general bigger and stronger, so women are almost always at a disadvantage. We need support from good and decent men, not disparagement from thoughtless ideologists who put their woke credentials above concern for women.

I was pleased that you sacked Rebecca Long Bailey, another thoughtless wokester who couldn’t recognise anti-Semitism when it was staring her in the face. I hope you sack this foolish, misogynistic man as well.

I have high hopes for the Labour Party with you as leader. Please don’t disappoint.

Sincerely

Lottapianos · 28/06/2020 08:40

'Having reflected, I would like to see Starmer state support for women's rights very, VERY clearly.'

Yep. It's about bloody time. No excuses. I really welcome how decisive hes been about anti-semitism in the party, he needs the same approach for misogyny. We're all waiting.......

NotBadConsidering · 28/06/2020 08:46

LangClegTheBeardedVulture

What a fuckwit. Sorry you had to put up with that.

littlbrowndog · 28/06/2020 08:47

I saw this guy on the telly on politics lunchtime thing

He was truly awful

And it seems am not disappointed in my view on him then as he has just reinforced it

He should be sacked for his victim shaming

FannyCann · 28/06/2020 08:49

Talking over women is what he does for a hobby. Selina Todd put him in his place. Sadly, I think this link is voice only and I can't find a video link which is a shame as the vision of him sitting there simmering was quite something.

Toseland · 28/06/2020 08:52

Posting this for anyone who missed it the fist time - scroll down and watch the video: www.theargus.co.uk/news/18406359.brighton-mp-lloyd-russell-moyle-fire-video/

teawamutu · 28/06/2020 08:55

If Starmer doesn't do something now, he's effectively saying anti-Semitism is a problem, misogyny A-OK.

Does he realise?

hellandhairnets · 28/06/2020 08:56

Keir has obviously been on the blower. LRM's put a mealy-mouthed apology about his JKR comments on his Twitter feed.

twitter.com/lloyd_rm/status/1277135881380429824

Too little, too late, imo.

littlbrowndog · 28/06/2020 08:56

Oh yeah fanny that’s it

Angryresister · 28/06/2020 09:02

Yes, it would be good to hear a clear statement from LP supporting women’s rights above the sexual fetishes of men. However sacking this guy only means that there will be another in his place as they have apparently all drunk the magic potion. Time for another letter to my own MP

littlbrowndog · 28/06/2020 09:03

Jeez it took him a week to apologise

Guess he wants to keep his job

But he showed what he really thinks about women