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Glinner · 27/06/2020 23:51

That bloke in Labour who looks at women like he's seen a rat has outdone himself here.

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SerenityNowwwww · 28/06/2020 10:37

Because women are so protected and safe in India...

merrymouse · 28/06/2020 10:40

The thing that people like LRM can't seem to comprehend is that women can face discrimination both because they are observed to be people who have periods, and by ignoring their need for resources to deal with periods.

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with their feelings about their own identity.

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2020 11:02

The most telling thing about it, is that he thinks that women already have equality.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 28/06/2020 11:12

I think he’ll be off the front bench in the morning, despite his furious attempt at a reverse ferret.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3951915-Lloyd-Russell-Moyle-back-pedals-furiously?pg=2

ThePurported · 28/06/2020 11:12

We need to get much, much smarter about politics to effect change. Why are we seeing threads demanding the GRA be overturned entirely? If we want to influence the Labour Party let's get a campaign going that they take up the suggestions here which are very reasonable.

thecritic.co.uk/has-trench-warfare-on-trans-issues-come-to-an-end/

Yes, great suggestions, although I certainly wouldn't campaign for a more accessible GRC process and there doesn't seem to be that much interest in third spaces, but what do you think WPUK and other grassroots Labour women have been doing for the past two or three years? WPUK in particular are very 'moderate' and not interested in repealing the GRA.
After #expelme and recent weeks' events, the Labour leadership should be fully up to speed. How much more explaining and campaigning do they need?

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 28/06/2020 11:12

"I want to apologies" he says. And yet he manages to avoid saying sorry. The closest he can get is "it was wrong of me". And then that he wants to remove the evidence of his wrong-doing.
I imagine he was given 4 hours to recant like RLB and knew his sacking wouldn't trouble the headline.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 28/06/2020 11:16

I am uneasy about demanding people be sacked for things they’ve said in newspapers.

He’ll be fired for disobeying the leader’s office instructions, front benchers are supposed to follow the party line, which is that labour are committed to listening to women and trans people. If he were a back bencher or if Labour hadn’t already made an official, neutral statement re: GRA reform then there would be nothing to sack him for.

SisterWendyBuckett · 28/06/2020 11:37

Dulang Have you got a link to Labour's official neutral stance on GRA reform please, or could point me in the right direction?

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 28/06/2020 11:43

I don’t think it’s a neutral policy on the actual reforms btw, just a leader-directed neutral PR stance. I suspect there is still much to argue behind the scenes on what the party will actually do when the torys release the consultation results.

I’ll find the article.

SisterWendyBuckett · 28/06/2020 11:48

Thank you 😊

LouHotel · 28/06/2020 11:52

I'll be pleasantly surprised if he is fired but I'm pretty sure he wont be.

People paint Starmer as a centrist but he's actually quite left of the party, not RLB bonkers left but definitely a democratic socialist - we all know if he was in power 6 months from now that the GRA reform would be passed.

I think that until he says otherwise he has to be treated with caution.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 28/06/2020 11:55

@SisterWendyBuckett

Thank you 😊
Don’t thank me too profusely, I think the direct quote is behind this paywall!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-stands-back-from-gender-debate-nd730zrnf

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/06/2020 12:06

I've emailed Keir Starmer. I don't expect much though.

SisterWendyBuckett · 28/06/2020 12:07

I appreciate all the info I can get on this!

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 28/06/2020 12:08

Here we go, *SisterW’ - basically all the neutral quotes Penis News gets het up about here are the ones from Starmer’s office - you will see multiple variations on this neutral theme in replies to letters from MPs and quotes in newspapers from June 15th onwards:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/keir-starmer-trans-rights-gender-recognition-act-labour-party-marsha-de-cordova/

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/06/2020 12:17

Thought I'd put the text of my email here in case it was useful to anyone.

Dear Sir Keir,

I write to register my deep shock and horror that a member of the Labour front bench has accused a woman of 'weaponising' her sexual assault and abuse to promote hatred. Your MP's barely-there (and misspelled, good to know this didn't rank highly enough on his agenda for proof-reading) apology on twitter does not go nearly far enough to undo the damage he has caused your party in the eyes of many, many women and men.

Any woman who has been sexually abused will bear the scars of that abuse. For any woman, speaking about that abuse and trauma will be deeply painful. For a woman with the fame of JK Rowling to speak about her abuse is incredibly brave. In every piece of press on her, for the rest of her life, this will be mentioned. In every newspaper article, there will be reference to her as a survivor of sexual assault and domestic abuse. She has opened up a deeply painful, incredibly personal moment of her life and will never be allowed to put it away again. She did this in an attempt to promote a peaceful and respectful dialogue on the rights of women and girls to dignity and safety. Rights that are enshrined by law in the UK. In return, she received hatred, abuse, death threats and rape threats.

In the context of this appalling abuse, your front bencher decided that the fault here lies not with those screaming furiously at JKR, calling her a TERF cunt, telling her to 'choke on a cock' or 'die in a grease fire' but with the woman herself. After all, how dare she speak about her own abuse? It might make some men sad.

We live in a country where two women a week are murdered by their partner. Where rape convictions are at an historic low. Your MP doesn't think women should be allowed to speak about that. Your MP tells women they are hateful to want to discuss their legal rights. Your MP wants women to shut up, and go away.

Earlier this week you removed another MP from the front bench for retweeting an article in which a reference was made to an anti-semitic conspiracy theory. I applaud your decisiveness in this action; you showed the party and the country that actions, not words, are what counts when tackling anti-semitism within the Labour party. Given your strong response there, I would like to see the same commitment shown to removing those of your party who hold and publically express such blatant misogynistic views as Lloyd Russell-Moyle did this week.

Or do you too want women to simply shut up, and go away?

FleetsumNJetsum · 28/06/2020 12:24

Wow, SirS, that's good

SisterWendyBuckett · 28/06/2020 12:26

That's really helpful, thanks Dulang. So amusing to see PNews take on it!

TheTamingOfTheresa · 28/06/2020 12:30

Wow. Superb letter SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito. Well done

DidoLamenting · 28/06/2020 12:30

Posting this for anyone who missed it the fist time - scroll down and watch the video:

www.theargus.co.uk/news/18406359.brighton-mp-lloyd-russell-moyle-fire-video/

What a poisonous creature he is. The comments about routing out Tories and we know where they live are disgraceful.

The ranting at the end of his speech was frightening. I know Nazi gets thrown out too easily but I'm afraid the tone and style reminded me of Nazi speech makers.

BovaryX · 28/06/2020 12:34

In the video, it is alleged he said his constituency was “not Tory-free enough for my liking”.“We’ve still got a few more to route out, but because of your fantastic door-knocking, we know where they live,” he said

Good grief. The Robespierre faction are something to behold. Do any of these clowns have access to a mirror? When they are wittering on about literal fascists?

DidoLamenting · 28/06/2020 12:42

Starmer should never have appointed this odious specimen to the front bench in the first place.

His comments about routing out Tories and that acceptance speech clearly demonstrate his unsuitability for any cabinet post.

merrymouse · 28/06/2020 12:45

LRM's comments on Conservatives also reported in the Standard in April.

"A spokesperson for Sir Keir said: “These comments are unacceptable and Lloyd will be spoken to about them. We need to draw a line under this type of behaviour and have a more respectful debate.”

"Labour MP for Bermondsey Neil Coyle called Mr Russell-Moyle to quit. “'The use of extreme language was partly what put so many voters off supporting Labour in December," he said."

Leaving aside the subject of his recent comments, from a political point of view, how many times can Keir Starmer 'talk' to LRM without sacking him?

It seems unlikely that this is the last time that he will be a liability.

BovaryX · 28/06/2020 12:47

@DidoLamenting

Starmer should never have appointed this odious specimen to the front bench in the first place.

His comments about routing out Tories and that acceptance speech clearly demonstrate his unsuitability for any cabinet post.

Agree. I hadn't seen that before. He truly is unfit to run a bath. Let alone be on any politico's shadow cabinet. His views are Stasi esque. And he's too politically illiterate and bereft of self awareness to know it.
merrymouse · 28/06/2020 12:49

He was appointed Shadow Minister on 9th April. This will be the second time in less than 3 months that he has had to apologise/been reprimanded.

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