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That bloke in Labour who looks at women like he's seen a rat has outdone himself here.

Whilst I don't for a moment believe his apology is sincere it's significant that he's been forced to make it. That would hardly have happened under Corbyn.

Whilst I would hope he'll be gone in the next reshuffle (and I expect he will be ) I don't think KS will want another sacking right now. It doesn't fit the strategy of what he's doing with the Corbynite wing.

Bad crowd 🤷‍♀️

Well twitter isn’t swallowing it. Good.

Much as I’d like to see this odious little toad sacked and sent off with his tail between his legs, and much as I enjoyed RLB being shuffled off to political oblivion, I am uneasy about demanding people be sacked for things they’ve said in newspapers.

Generally I agree, but this wasn't a stupid tweet or something misquoted out of context. It was an opinion piece that he had time to think about, written more than a week after at least some of the horror of the domestic abuse she suffered became public.

Too little, too late, imo.

Far too late.

I read an article a week or so ago about the report commissioned by the Labour Party about why they lost the election. Various things mentioned e.g. anti-semitism and Corbyn's personal unpopularity among voters. But no mention of the #labourlosingwomen hashtag and all the left wing women like myself who couldn't bring themselves to vote Labour because of their pledge to bring in self-id. I'd be so interested to know if the issue was even mentioned in the report or if the researchers thought they should censor it out so it didn't get wider publicity.

I don't want people sacked, I want the Labour party to acknowledge that women matter in their own right and say that the party is committed to protect our rights. What is it worth if a nasty bully loses his job, but the party still campaigns on his Anti-Woman viewpoint?

Actually you make a good point.

I would like a clear statement from Keir Starmer acknowledging the need for the law to allow single sex refuges.

Yes but if he doesn’t sack him the way he sacked RLB then it seems like to him anti semitism is more important than misogyny

And women don’t matter to the Labour Party

But this is very good piece by Andrew seeing as I was on the daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466711/ANDREW-DOYLE-JK-Rowling-row-shows-Britain-grip-frightening-new-kind-religion.html#comments

@merrymouse

Much as I’d like to see this odious little toad sacked and sent off with his tail between his legs, and much as I enjoyed RLB being shuffled off to political oblivion, I am uneasy about demanding people be sacked for things they’ve said in newspapers.

Generally I agree, but this wasn't a stupid tweet or something misquoted out of context. It was an opinion piece that he had time to think about, written more than a week after at least some of the horror of the domestic abuse she suffered became public.

... And looking at the notes of a meeting with a MNer constituent upthread, absolutely reflective of his personal views and approach as an MP.

I think the point for me is that while the Labour party continue to offer positions of authority to people who hold repulsive outdated views like Russel;-Moyle's, I won't vote for them. And neither will many, many other people

which isn't to say the british people are generally radical feminists, but is to say that they know batshit bollocks when they smell it and they don't vote for that

I don't want LRM to be fired. I want the Labour party to be a serious electable organisation were people who say the fucking stupid things he says don't rise to the top. Where, clever, competent, moderate compassionate socialists rise to the top. So that I and others can elect them. because I want a real socialist party to be in power

Oh Bernard, that sounds lovely. Although far away, I fear.

Yes but if he doesn’t sack him the way he sacked RLB then it seems like to him anti semitism is more important than misogyny

Lloyd Russell Moyle isn't even trending on Twitter. Given that he's issued a grovelling (if probably insincere) apology the political damage to Keir of sacking him is much, much greater than keeping him for the moment. That's how politics works.

We need to get much, much smarter about politics to effect change. Why are we seeing threads demanding the GRA be overturned entirely? If we want to influence the Labour Party let's get a campaign going that they take up the suggestions here which are very reasonable.

thecritic.co.uk/has-trench-warfare-on-trans-issues-come-to-an-end/

... And looking at the notes of a meeting with a MNer constituent upthread, absolutely reflective of his personal views and approach as an MP.

It was an article about policy written in Tribune, which is a left wing political publication for an audience of left wing readers. If he didn't believe what he wrote why did he write it?

I have emailed Sir Keir. Thanks for drawing my attention to this.

[quote HPFA]Yes but if he doesn’t sack him the way he sacked RLB then it seems like to him anti semitism is more important than misogyny

Lloyd Russell Moyle isn't even trending on Twitter. Given that he's issued a grovelling (if probably insincere) apology the political damage to Keir of sacking him is much, much greater than keeping him for the moment. That's how politics works.

We need to get much, much smarter about politics to effect change. Why are we seeing threads demanding the GRA be overturned entirely? If we want to influence the Labour Party let's get a campaign going that they take up the suggestions here which are very reasonable.

thecritic.co.uk/has-trench-warfare-on-trans-issues-come-to-an-end/[/quote]
Why would we influence the LP when they're not in power and highly unlikely to ever get in power unless the misogynistic MPs are sacked.

I only have so much time in my life to campaign for stuff, and send emails and write to people to effect changes for women. I see no reason to waste that time on a political party that cant be arsed to sort out the basics. You know that one where women matter.

littlebrowndog thanks for that DM article -- it's truly brilliant.

I'm not on Twitter but from all the stories recently it sounds an awful platform

Due to the Karen White case and similar I am not for women who haven't fully transitioned in womens places or womens prisons. The largest percentage on sex attacks on female prisoners is from women who haven't fully transistioned and from women in the process of becoming men (maybe due to the male hormones?)

JKR is correct in my opinion.

Why would we influence the LP when they're not in power and highly unlikely to ever get in power unless the misogynistic MPs are sacked.

I suppose it depends whether you are a LP supporter. If you aren't then obviously you wouldn't bother.

I think its likely that Keir Starmer will try to ignore this and not engage with either side, particularly during June. Politically there isn't much of an upside for him. RLB was different, because LP policy was already clear.

The problem that LRM has is that the Conservatives aren't going to do anything - they are just going to leave the law alone. LRM needs Labour to campaign for a change in the law that isn't universally popular, and that they don't have the votes to win. Why would Keir Starmer do that now?

However, at some point Labour will have to make their policy clear.

littlebrown

Thank you for the link. Great article. It highlights the existential threat to liberal values posed by the SJ movement. In one way, it is absurd that JKR is being demonized for asserting a belief in biological sex that was completely uncontroversial five minutes ago. On the other hand, it is a frightening example of the extensive influence of this totalitarian agenda.

In trying to make sense of the Rowling controversy, it is important to realise that this is part of the broader problem of a new and pervasive ideology that promotes ‘social justice’ and which is a direct threat to freedom of speech and liberal values. It is perhaps best understood as a kind of religion. It demands moral purity and brooks no dissent. It seeks to control public discourse by deeming certain words and ideas 'problematic'

@LangClegTheBeardedVulture

Thanks for sharing your notes. I read them after my post.

Why do these people attempt to make us feel wrong for not wanting people with penises in our safe places? I have also been sexually assaulted by a person with a penis but even't if I hadn't would that make my view not important

kareningalasmith.com/2020/06/27/why-i-was-rejected-for-labour-party-membership-and-my-response/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I'll just leave this here.

I have the rage after reading the account of the constituency meeting. Thank you for posting it vulture.
I'm at a loss to say anything else at the moment, I'm so appalled at how he treated you.

Why do these people attempt to make us feel wrong for not wanting people with penises in our safe places?

Because many people in the debate want to force us accept it whether we like it or not. They're not interested in how we feel about it, the only important thing is that we shut up and just be there so they can parody womanhood and us validate their identities, either willingly or unwillingly.

Oh well they have self-ID in India with the hirija and it hasn’t increased assault

They have self ID In India????

Really? So women in India can escape oppression by just claiming to be men and everyone just agrees that they are men? Really?

If only these women had known about this get out clause!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-51504992