Rebecca Wrong-Daily Sacked

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For apparently sharing something anti-Semitic.

Oh dear how sad.

@chomalungma

Maxine Peake blamed Israel, in the article Rebecca Long Bailey has just been sacked for endorsing.

If you judge Israel by different standards from any other country in the world then anti-Semitism comes into play

Any country that calls itself a democracy should be judged by its actions and the way it treats people - especially when it comes to how it treats people within the land it has occupied.

I doubt he wanted to appoint her in the first place, he was pushed into agreeing to appoint his rivals during the leadership contest.

Absolutely. If he really valued her, he'd have hung on to her in the way that Johnson hung on to the despicable Cummings.

I agree with a PP who said that the strongly pro-Corbyn stance of the interview was probably what led RLB to tweet it with the word "diamond" and also what really pissed off Starmer.

Sacking her also gave Starmer the opportunity to look really strong on anti-Semitism, though I don't think what Peake said was massively anti-Semitic. (Suppose she'd said that the Minneapolis police had been trained by the Saudi Arabia police - would that have been anti-Arabic?)

Anyway, I don't care why she's gone - she's gone. Now she knows what it feels like to be convicted of wrongthink. Perhaps the extra time she'll now have on her hands will give her the opportunity to reflect a bit more on that.

I think you can look at comments about police learning techniques from the Israeli SS - which is an organisation I wouldn't really want to cuddle up to - in terms of the militarisation of the police which is a big problem with regard to police violence in the US. They are training their police like an army or a country combating terrorism which is quite different from normal policing.

Is this 'blaming Israel'?

"Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” (A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway"

No matter where they learnt it, the US police are the ones responsible

I'm glad she's gone, never liked her!

But like many pp we should not conflate anti-semitism with anti-israeli. Being anti Israeli is not being anti-Semitic. If you are anti-israeli, you're anti Israeli GOVERNMENT and their policies (which btw, you can be as an Israeli Jew) not anti Israeli PEOPLE. How is being against the policies of a government the same as being against an ENTIRE religion and people?

But sacking people for sharing stuff is close to the line IMO. Replacing one kind of reactionary approach with another isn't a great idea.

The idea that Jews orchestrate the murder of black people by white people is an old, old anti-semitic trope.

I appreciate people might not know that - but it is pretty classic.

RLB knew she was forwarding a dog whistle, as education secretary she should have easily been able to spot it that in the article and realised she shouldn't have retweeted it.

Agree. She's too dim (before you even start on the anti-semitism) to be shadow education secretary. I have struggled to see what she ever added, and assume that she achieved her position in Corbyn's party because of her loyalty and the reduced pool of talent from whom Corbyn could choose. Glad to see her go.

Well RLB isn’t the brightest. She wouldn’t have lasted long as she’s no match for KS. He’s leading from the front and she scored an own goal. As I said, she’s not the brightest.

I appreciate people might not know that - but it is pretty classic

But that's not what the article says. A small part of the article suggests that Israel trains US police in knee holds - and then says it was refuted.

Seems some people are making a leap - just because they don't approve of her views on gender.

@chomalungma

If you judge Israel by different standards from any other country in the world then anti-Semitism comes into play

Any country that calls itself a democracy should be judged by its actions and the way it treats people - especially when it comes to how it treats people within the land it has occupied.

Here we go.

Israel was established by the UN. It hasn't 'occupied' anything. In point of fact its borders have shrunk.

And it can't 'occupy' land where Jewish people have lived since the beginning of recorded history. Jews aren't 'occupying' land which belonged to their ancestors. They belong there. It's clear you have a problem with the world's only Jewish state, and what kind of problem that might be.

On the one hand, good. But on the other, all she did was share an article

No she wholeheartedly endorsed someone repeating a familiar anti semitic trope whilst simultaneously telling former Labour voters who distanced themselves under Corbynism that they could FOAD, Labour doesn't need them.

So RLB is either incompetent or simply doesn't care.

Well I think she’s a twat who deserves to not play any part in the Labour Party but it does seem like the main thrust of the article was about the Labour Party being fab. Saying that it was stupid too share it when there was any whiff of anti Israel spin within it.

But I do think Kier was possibly looking for any excuse to get rid asap.....would rather he’d just have had the guts to never have given her a job because she’s a left wing loon.

@GiantKitten

“The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services” While US law enforcement officials have received training from the Israeli military, there has been no suggestion that this training involved the tactics of kneeling on an individual's neck.

The neck thing may not be true (though we don't know that, do we?) but leaving that aside, "anti-semitic" here, as so often, actually means "anti-Israel"

I believe that much of the "anti semitism" in Labour is actually anyone daring to criticise the State of Israel.

When this blew up with Jeremy Corbyn back in the day, there was some footage of him attending a Jewish ceremony, but they were the "wrong" kind of Jews as they were sympathetic to Palestinians.

I think it's quite amazing how the Israeli powers that be have managed to make anything criticising Israel, anti-Semetic. Ergo you cannot do so.

I bet KS is absolutely delighted. It gives him the perfect excuse to get rid of one of Corbyn's crew.

She's too dim (before you even start on the anti-semitism) to be shadow education secretary

We have a journalist as Prime Minister

She studied Politics and Sociology at Manchester Metropolitan University, then completed "various part-time law conversion and solicitors' courses."[8] She has worked for the law firm Pinsent Masons[9] and in 2003, she began working in landlord and tenant law for the law firm Halliwells; she was admitted as a solicitor on 1 November 2007 and moved that year to work for Hill Dickinson,[9][10][11] specialising in commercial law, commercial property, NHS contracts and NHS estates.[5]

Meanwhile, the current Education Secretary was a Director of a china firm.

Seems some people are making a leap - just because they don't approve of her views on gender.

Those of us who don't accept her views on sex have said that - others who've said they find her views anti-semitic have said that too. I don't think people are having to make a leap. It's all here on a plate. She's not very bright.

And it can't 'occupy' land where Jewish people have lived since the beginning of recorded history. Jews aren't 'occupying' land which belonged to their ancestors. They belong there. It's clear you have a problem with the world's only Jewish state, and what kind of problem that might be

I have a problem with any country that occupies somewhere and uses its power to oppress the people who lived there.

China and Tibet is another example.

So yes - I have a problem with Israel in the Occupied territories
I have a problem with China and Tibet
I have a problem with Turkey and Northern Cyprus

Israel belongs to the ranks of other countries that have occupied other countries.

I'm following this with interest.

I'm woefully ignorant of more nuanced anti semitism (I need a break it down for me thread) and I don't understand momentum at all, bar that they're clearly misogynistic.

I'm glad she's gone from the twaw side; she was doing a bloody good job of popping all the tories bubbles around schools. Literally and metaphorically.

@SuckingDieselFella I think you've got something there.

@SixesAndEights
"I believe that much of the "anti semitism" in Labour is actually anyone daring to criticise the State of Israel. "

In that case you're part of the problem. Jackie Walker and Ken Livingston weren't expelled because they criticised the state of Israel. You only have to look at Rachel Riley's twitter abuse to know that it's nothing to do with Israel.

"When this blew up with Jeremy Corbyn back in the day, there was some footage of him attending a Jewish ceremony, but they were the "wrong" kind of Jews as they were sympathetic to Palestinians."

Jewdas are very much the wrong kind of Jews. If you mock the Torah then that's how other Jews will see you. www.jewdas.org/about/ I can see what the attraction was for Corbyn though. They're ideologically sound too. What's not to like?

"I think it's quite amazing how the Israeli powers that be have managed to make anything criticising Israel, anti-Semetic. Ergo you cannot do so."

This has been explained but I'll try and put it simply. Criticising Israel is perfectly reasonable if you hold it to the standards of any other democracy. If you hold it to different standards, you have an issue with it being the world's only Jewish state. And we know what that issue might be.

It isn't anti-semitic to be critical of the policies of a specific government. But for every person who carefully adumbrates their specific criticism of a specific policy in terms of its unequal impact on the different communities of Israel and its likelihood to inflame discord rather than foster peace, there are many more on RLB's side of the Labour party who foam at the mouth about 'Israel' and see it as nothing more than a colonising, robber state, sponsored by the US and an easy target. They see it as safely 'punching up', and it's a short step from that knee-jerk stuff to seeing Jewish people as invariably privileged and exploitative.

Oddly enough, I was reading an essay about Caryl Phillips last night, in which he quotes Frantz Fanon on the links between Jewish persecution in Europe and the suffering of the African diaspora: 'Whenever someone is abusing the Jews, pay attention, because they are talking about you."

Maxine Peake may or may not have had this in mind when she tried to make a point about global, systemic racism; but I somehow doubt it (although I've no right to say what her intentions were) and RLB was too thick to see it. She should have left it well alone.

This is the stupidest thing I have every heard. There may be all sort of reasons for sacking RLB but re-tweeting a comment about the training methods of the Israeli police is not anti semitic and it is not a conspiracy.

The Israeli police, like our own (or used to), often train police from other countires.

The issue isn't which country the police are from, but does their training include the restraint "method" of kneeling on someone's kneck.

Israel is a country, being critical or Israel or its police is not anti semitic unless the criticism include some well worn racial slur about supposed Jewish traits.

I am really beginning to worry that if people, Labour or otherwise, start randomly calling things anti semitic, the real instances of anti semitism will just be ignored or blurred into some woke online presence that actually doesn't combat anti semitism.

Its getting like the transphob "slur" bandy it around long enough and all the must toe the woke line jump.

Anti semitism is far too important to be bandied about like this. And I suspect too often used by inter Labour rivalries as a way of attacking fellow party members.

1. Israeli police may or may not teach kneeling on people's knecks. And decent media out let would fact check.
2. The Israeli police force are not the state of Israel or its Government (unless someone can find a document where Govrnment members approve this method of restraint
3. Israel and / or its Government are not the sum total of Jewish people.

The remark could be said to be anti Israeli, but (see point 2) hardly credible. And police brutality if someone fact checks the Israeli police training methods.

The MSM is now being run by twitter trolls.

Criticising Israel is perfectly reasonable if you hold it to the standards of any other democracy. If you hold it to different standards, you have an issue with it being the world's only Jewish stat

I think Israel should be held up to the standards of any democracy - especially when it comes to human rights. Sometimes what they do doesn't live up to those standards and they get criticised. Just as any democracy should be.