Emma Watson no longer believes in women

[JGACC]

Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it.

We absolutely can calculate risk factors on groups, or classes of people. Why do you think there is single sex provision in the first place? It's partly because men as a class are a risk factor. Not every man, but any man. There is no evidence whatsoever that being trans removes TW from that risk group, and certainly not just because they say so.

Why would the answer to male violence against TW be letting male people into female spaces if they claim the TW identity?

You do realise that the vast, vast majority of men who transition never have the op, right?

DIDNT ASK FOR SAME SEX SPACES TO BE SHARED

My god. My good god.

I'm just saying most people who are trans are just living their life. There is a weird entitled group of trans women who obviously feel very strongly about their right to these places, but they don't represent all trans women.

Transwomen who know they are men, and don't try to convince people that they are really women are not the problem.

It was just respectful of biologically female people who aren't comfortable being identified as such.

Why do some women not want to be identified as women? What is wrong with being a woman? It seems like misogyny to me. There's an implication that being a woman is an inferior state, and by opting out of it themselves, they are suggesting that women who don't identify as non binary are content with all the crap stereotypes that go with being a woman, so they actually make things worse for the rest of us.

Why should I change the way I speak to accommodate such reality-denying people?

@LouHotel

The support for mermaids was an absolute two finger salute to jkr.

She should not be a women ambassador to the UN if she cant identify what a women is.

She shouldn't be any sort of ambassador for the UN if she's promoting the sterilisation and mutilation of children.

Stop ranting about the single sex thing if you don’t actually understand that c follows b follows a. You can’t have it both ways. You either stand by the rights of women to safe spaces (sex segregated spaces) or you don’t. The two positions as defined by current trans ideology can’t co exist.

And eventually when you throw enough TERF stones at someone house and smash all their windows the occupant of that house comes out screaming "why don't you all just fuck off then" because they are exasperated.

Jk has obviously not told anyone to fuck off.

But many, myself included are getting close to the stance of "well fuck off and be whoever you want to be, but stay out of my face, space and sports" 🙄

Because the article did actually reference women and girls, it just also referenced non binary people who menstruate. It was just respectful of biologically female people who aren't comfortable being identified as such.

But 'female' and 'woman' shouldn't be an identity. They are both just neutral words that describe sex. If we talk about 'menstruators' we endorse the idea that these words mean something more, and we enable oppression because we don't recognise that pregnancy, periods, menopause, abortion, miscarriage, etc. etc. etc. only affect one group of people, and that it is the combined effect of all of these things that leads to oppression.

To believe that your own concept of your own identity can and should influence how other people perceive you is to enjoy a level of privilege that isn't available to most people, particularly women whose lives are restricted because they don't have access to basic healthcare.

The fact he was in a womens prison is a miscarriage justice. I have said time and time again that I agree that singlesex spaces and their preservation is a valid concern.

Terf.

Karen White is a woman. She says she is so she is. How dare you misgender her.

TWAW therefore there is no concern with any of them entering female spaces because they are female and that is where they belong. Anyone who has a problem with that can suck my lady dick.

... do you really not get it? What you just said would be considered transphobic. It was far more 'transphobic' than anything JKR tweeted. She didn't misgender anyone. She didn't even comment on who should go in what spaces.

Your beliefs in inclusion are not enough for the TRAs - no where near enough. You talk about wanting to be kind - but what you are advocating on this thread is not kind enough for the twitter mob You have not capitulated enough and so you are as much "a terf hag with a stinky pussy" as JKR is. That is how it is.

Nobody nobody has a problem with people born male choosing to dress in clothes designed for women, or giving themselves female names if that makes them happier or more comfortable. You are no different from anyone else here when you say you don't dislike trans people. The only difference is you are not joining up the dots.

The problem is that too many want much much more than to be left alone to wear what they want. They are aggressive and violent about getting it and actual laws are being changed to facilitate their identities, but which remove already guaranteed protections from women.

If you truly think TWAW then you believe they belong in female spaces. Because you truly think they are female. If you think there are concerns about opening up single sex spaces to anybody who claims they are a woman ... then don't lie. No you don't believe TWAW. You know perfectly well they are men. That is why you have concerns.

And if you want to claim that you somehow are distinguishing between genuine and vulnerable transwomen and people like Karen White - how do you know which is which until it's too late? How do you police that and keep women and girls safe? Who are you to decide what classifies someone as a real transwoman and someone as a sexual predator? What right have you to misgender someone or disbelieve their trans identity?

Trans people deserve rights and protections and recognition of their status and the difficulties and threats they face because of it. They deserve funding and spaces that allow them to overcome inequalities and let them be safe. What they do not deserve is the right to be genuinely considered the opposite sex and therefore allowed in their spaces. Because they are not the opposite sex - if they were they wouldn't be trans.

Trans women are not women. They are trans women - a subset of men. This is not disregarding them on the basis of a few sexual predators - this is material reality.
However if you think Karen White is a one off or a rarity - go read the 'This never happens resource thread' on FWR.

Cloudy - if you agree with single sex spaces then you are not on the same 'side' as the TWAW brigade. So you disagree with Watson, Radcliffe, Redmayne et al.

@OldCrone based on your latest reply I'd say you know nothing about why people identify as transgender. I'm not saying I have all the answers, I just know there are genuine reasons that are nothing to do with the reductive tripe that is - "what's wrong with being a woman"

You don't have to appease people. I would wonder why you would go out of your way to be so bothered about denying people a courtesy that makes them feel more comfortable. You don't get to decide what a valid state of mental being is just because you don't relate to it.

I had the same thing at first where I was like why do people need to identify as the opposite gender, but in order for that to be viable there would need to not be the embedded notions of man and woman in our society and social psyche, and obviously that's not going away. Anyway I'm rambling again but the point is I disagree with your assertion that being trans is as simple and base as you make out.

I'm genuinely surprised by the reactions my post got I have to say. The constant barrage of bollocking over single sex spaces is really bizarre when I have said multiple times and since my first post that I already agree with that.

Women in countries where you are subject to FGM, arranged marriage and honour killing, all you have to do is say you are a man! Your biology is unimportant, it is ALL your fault for not saying biology doesn't exist! There you go, it's all fixed now. Oh, wait . . .

Right, cloudy, so your position here is that you support single sex provision, but you also think that feminists should also be campaigning for trans people as a whole?

My answer is that everyone is free to campaign for whatever they wish. At one point I may have had the energy to join a campaign for safe third spaces, and I've certainly been vocal about anyone presenting themselves as they wish in the world. But when increasing numbers of my daughter's friends are beginning to think that being a woman means accepting femininity and I keep seeing discussions by 'progressive' trans people on why homosexual people having boundaries is bigoted and the first thing out of someone's mouth when we're discussing female menstruation is 'Transwomen are women!' and pornhub is 'fighting racism' by highlighting all the abuse against black women on it's site, I've actually got quite enough on my plate campaigning for women, because I'm a feminist.

Imagine growing up in a world of fantasy where magic really exists and you can change from a human into a mouse.

The experience of growing up in Hollywood has no effect on children. They all grow up to be well adjusted and in touch with reality of the everyday lives of others.

They do not crave the adoration of their fans for their own self worth, identity and career. They are capable of articulate, intelligent debate rather than a couple of lines of spoon-fed PR directing even though this is what they have been conditioned to smile and look at the camera the right way since childhood.

No not a all.

They are commodities. The industry sold them as marketable products. They spawned a billion plastic dolls in their likeness, and yet they talk about things like the virtues of how we must all save the planet by not wearing fast fashion but wearing their approved brand instead. They continue to sell themselves. Over and over. They are desperate to try and stay relevant as they start to age. The industry created several people who now try to politicise to a young audience even though they are all now cracking on into their 30s. Part of the magic of this is how, due to Harry Potter, they are still perpetually perceived as children. When you think about this, in the context of Daniel Radcliffe, this is starting to get a little on the creepy side. It's creepy when you consider Watson just encouraged donations to Mermaids.

It's all about money and power and self interest. A world of superficial appearances and make believe. That is their world. Is it any real surprise they believe in the miracles of plastic surgery and the marvels of those who wear a costume to mark their identity? And very little thought as to the real world where magic spells can't change your physical body?

Trans women are not women. They are trans women - a subset of men. This is not disregarding them on the basis of a few sexual predators - this is material reality.

That's all, really. You can create a chimera, with an allogenic stem cell transplant to treat blood cancer or certain forms of genetic anaemia, it will change their blood type. But it will not alter their sex chromosomes, even if it comes from the opposite sex, the person's genotype still comes up with their natal sex. You cannot change biological sex.

There is a weird entitled group of trans women who obviously feel very strongly about their right to these places, but they don't represent all trans women.

The people campaigning for changes to legislation are not all trans women. They are organisations like Mermaids who provide 'training' to public bodies, informing them that single sex spaces, and single sex sports are illegal and that children can be born in the wrong body. Emma Watson is asking for donations to Mermaids.

Cloudy somebody on here crunched the numbers. Women are far more vulnerable to murder by men than transwomen in the UK. Transwomen offend at the same rate as men according to research.
If Trans people were asking for a safe space, we'd be on it. We were nice and supportive until we were pushed to far. Our safe spaces were hard won, we won't be guilted into giving them up.

That should be too far.

Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it

Emma Watson has always been in support of trans rights though?
Not seen the tweet but I'm not surprised in the slightest if she's recently tweeted so not sure why you can't believe it.

The BBC's reporting on this whole issue is spot on. Whoever wrote this article clearly understands what JKR was trying to say. This is the first article I've read that hasn't focused on the wrong part of this discussion. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53002557

@CloudyVanilla have a read of this.

4w.pub/non-binary-is-the-new-not-like-other-girls-and-its-deeply-rooted-in-misogyny/

Puts what I said in a bit more context. I'm surprised that you are confident enough to think you know what I do and don't know about a subject based on a single post on an internet forum.

But if you have a better explanation of why it has become so fashionable to identify as non-binary, perhaps you could share it here.

05GreyGardens88

"You can't call people snotty, ugly or talentless just because they don't agree with your opinion hmm"
I didnt call her ugly or talentless. I called her a moron and snotty.
Shes not ugly at all, doesn't mean shes right.
Cant really comment on her talent as ive never seen her in anything.
Just think its a bit bad that all these young actors that have made their names off the back of jks work are now throwing her under the bus.
But you make it up as you go along, misrepresentation and lies are what your side are best at. Hth

This is a very serious issue but it does lead to comedy that writes itself.

mobile.twitter.com/VaginaDiamondz/status/1270354129668407296

The BBC newsbeat article about Radcliffe and Rowling was a dreadful bit of opinion writing masquerading as factual journalism.

I just said it was sad the two things do conflict. I actually don't agree that everyone on this thread is supportive of transgender people, I don't think anyone is in a position to declare that either. Otherwise I would have not been met with the dissent and lectures over same sex spaces. I said it was upsetting for everyone and that I agreed with both JKR and the people supporting trans women.

Also with the menstruators comment, the problem is though that although you can define objectively what a woman is, you just cant decide for every single person that no other meaning is attached to the word. I totally get why that is negative and as said in my first post, I said maybe the solution is detaching feminity from womanhood a bit more. I still think, knowing the context of the word woman and knowing that some women are non binary or trans but are still women, I think it is unkind to mock someone over the use if the word menstruators. At the same time I get why it is uncomfortable to hear someone not wanting to be called a woman, to go against the fact, but that's not my reality, so it's not my place it tell those people they are wrong to want to identify otherwise. It doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it principle, but not because I think it's harmful. If that makes sense? Gosh I don't know I'm only up because my four month old won't sleep.

Maybe I should just give up and watch the Office.