Emma Watson no longer believes in women

[JGACC]

Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it.

It isn't just active threat to female people.

It's privacy. Dignity.
The woman with a catheter in, on a hospital ward with a person she perceives as male in the next bed seeing and hearing everything
The lonely or marginalised woman who can no longer go to the gym or swim or book group, because their culture or religion forbids them joining a mixed sex session and a TW has proudly joined the single female only session available.
The woman with three kids who desperately needs a refuge place but stays with the man trying to kill her because the refuges apologetically admit that there's no female only refuges left and she's too terrified of people she perceives as male.
The teenaged girl in tears because the classmate who identified as male until last week is in her changing room, she has a period and she's expected to take her clothes off in front of them or get in trouble.

The teenaged girl who is afraid to drink all day at school and won't go to school when she has a period because people she perceives as male are in the toilets.

And we have to be honest about that fact that some male people behave extremely inappropriately towards female people and things like males (who don't necessarily even identify as trans) posting on forums about taking women's used tampons to push up their bottoms, and so stalking them into cubicles and listening, hoping to get a fresh warm one; or wanking on the floor of a cubicle where women will change hoping one will walk on his semen, or wiping his semen on toilet paper for the thrill of knowing some woman will unknowingly use it, or the man trying on women's underwear with the curtains half open hoping a woman walks in for the thrill of his being caught pretty much flashing. These things are real, they happen, this is the world female people live in.

All these things are enabled when you prioritise valuing the lovely individual need of someone's personal and painful identity over the whole picture of half the human race disadvantaged by biology with provision that they need for good reason. This is privileging the emotional choices of all males over the needs, safety and human rights of all females.

Except no one would give a shiny shit about his opinions @CloudyVanilla were it not for JKR.

It's like children who owe their hugely privileged lives to their parents' hard work throwing it back in their faces publicly.

They have no obligation to not be raging misogynists obviously, but it's very ungracious of them. And I bet if she'd done this half way through the potter films, they would have carried on taking her cash.

You are completely correct DR does not owe JKR a dogmatic following
Would anybody be interested in him without her ?

And you might want to read jkr's blog post @cloudyvanilla because I am sick to the back teeth of having this discussion again.

As a group trans women are vulnerable in themselves and they exist regardless of any changes of law which effect women

How vulnerable do you think this 'transwoman' is Cloudy?

Right I get what everyone is saying but there is more to trans women than just the issue over same sex spaces. I know that's where the conflict is, I'm saying that apart from that, both groups can be supportive of each other. As in, support each other by no being so vitriolic towards each other.

I enjoyed the subtley and eloquence of JK's blog post. And was baffled that EW's tweets read like they were written by a five year old.

As far as these film stars are concerned, JK Rowling wrote the book of the film that began their careers and they have worked incredibly hard to become stars in their own right. They are not being nasty or personal to J K Rowling. The people who are low enough to make personal insults because their political beliefs clash with theirs are on this thread. J K Rowling on the other hand, is free to say what she wants but will be well aware that that who are publicly associated with her may feel morally obliged to step forward and say "we, not in my name". Because those adults are still associated with Rowling in the public imagination and also have a right to stand for what they believe in. They're not vitriolic - the vipers are here, actually. I'm much more inclined to think that the voice of empathy and reason is wherever these MN vipers are not.

I've been following this on Twitter. Given their explicit views I've called for Watson, Eddie Redmayne & Daniel Radcliffe to no longer be considered for parts for women & men respectively. Clearly they must believe it an unbearable injustice that they get roles that transwomen/transmen should be given instead. I'm sure they'll be the first to admit that declining into penniless obscurity is the very least they can do, seeing as how they're so passionate about trans "rights".

@OldCrone I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying because he's manly looking he wouldn't, as a transgender person, be at risk of being subject to trans phobic abuse?

You honestly remind me of this MRA I spoke to once who, when I was arguing that women were vulnerable to male violence, he described a "6 foot lesbian woman" as some kind of trump card to say that it somehow meant women weren't vulnerable.

Re the DR thing I just mean, regardless of the means, he has a large platform, same with EW. And just because JKR is the cause of that doesn't mean he has to agree her which I know you've said just wanted to clarify I understood he is famous because of HP and likely wouldn't be if he wasn't Harry :)

Cloudyvanilla, do you believe that the threat to women from men overall is very low?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3934951-the-body-shop-has-fallen?watched=1&msgid=97344217#97344217

Eileen

That is absurdity and hysteria talking. I don't think saying trans women are women is equivalent to saying they alone are women. You people really shoot yourselves in the foot with this madness. Robust debate? It's like a toddler cake smash.

Cloudy the man in the picture is a child and woman rapist. I think you'd need to know that before commenting on what the poster meant

@EileenAlanna

I've been following this on Twitter. Given their explicit views I've called for Watson, Eddie Redmayne & Daniel Radcliffe to no longer be considered for parts for women & men respectively. Clearly they must believe it an unbearable injustice that they get roles that transwomen/transmen should be given instead. I'm sure they'll be the first to admit that declining into penniless obscurity is the very least they can do, seeing as how they're so passionate about trans "rights".

This.

It's not a surprise from Emma Watson. Although I don't understand these privileged women who refuse to accept that men are dangerous, especially when they start aggressively asserting themselves against women. They are actively supporting the abuse of women.

Sorry to spam. @Clymene I've already said I agree with JKR for the most part, or at least the statement I read. If you're sick to the back teeth of discussing it maybe don't reply or just reply to the responses you agree with? Seems a bit weird to come to a discussion saying you're sick of discussing something

No, single sex spaces are not single sex if any man who says that he is in fact a woman is automatically entitled to be in them. It’s not hard to understand.

Women and girls are entitled to their biological sex and protections afforded to them by virtue of it.

Any brand of feminism that is all about the men is not feminism.

Read the above thread for further discussion.

They're not vitriolic

So why haven't they condemned the abuse she's received? Do they agree with it?

More examples of vitriol here:

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

I disagree with her, and am astonished she supports Mermaids, but in as much as JK Rowling is entitled to an opinion so is Emma Watson. I have less of an issue with her saying this as a woman than I do Daniel Radcliffe as a man apologising for JK Rowling.

However her failure to condemn the threats of sexual violence against JK Rowling is unforgivable.

Okay but seriously, it is obtuse in the extreme to post a picture of a literal rapist as your chosen example of a transwoman"

To the poster asking about whether I think the overall threat of men toward women is low, of course not. I think it's disingenuous to treat tans women the exact same as men. Not least because from every study I can find, the majority of trans women are attracted to men and the number of trans women to non trans men is obviously small.

What is so striking is the eloquent well thought out essay (which makes a point of the lack of this on twitter) versus a vapid and vacuous 280 tweet from someone who clearly hasn't read the essay (cos if she had, it wouldn't be so ironic that the tweet was illustrating the lack of nuance and thoughtfulness on twitter).

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Yeah, you’re right the actors are entitled to state that they disagree with Rowling.
However none of them have asked for the TRAs to stop abusing her. And in Radcliffe’s case, he had the audacity to apologise if JKR’s comments ruined people’s enjoyment of the books he had no hand in writing. It is not his place to do that and it is grossly insulting.

You know what would have been really brave for these good young allies trans people to do? To state, simply: “JKR is entitled to her own opinion. I don’t Happen to agree with her on this issue. But I think the abuse she is getting for her views is utterly unacceptable.”

Radcliffe, Lynch, Watson all owe their careers to Rowling, and certainly the contents of their bank accounts. I think the one I am most disappointed in overall is Lynch, because JK helped her out a lot. They are complete cowards.

I think it's disingenuous to treat tans women the exact same as men.

Disingenuous to treat trans women the exact same as men...

But not disingenuous to treat trans women the exact same as women?

Or in fact to prioritise their rights over women's rights?

There's popularity to be had from jumping on the woke bandwagon. Doesn't make it correct or helpful though.