Emma Watson no longer believes in women

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Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it.

Yeah, you’re right the actors are entitled to state that they disagree with Rowling.

However none of them have asked for the TRAs to stop abusing her. And in Radcliffe’s case, he had the audacity to apologise if JKR’s comments ruined people’s enjoyment of the books he had no hand in writing. It is not his place to do that and it is grossly insulting.

You know what would have been really brave for these good young allies trans people to do? To state, simply: “JKR is entitled to her own opinion. I don’t Happen to agree with her on this issue. But I think the abuse she is getting for her views is utterly unacceptable.”

This. This this this.

@CloudyVanilla

Right I get what everyone is saying but there is more to trans women than just the issue over same sex spaces. I know that's where the conflict is, I'm saying that apart from that, both groups can be supportive of each other. As in, support each other by no being so vitriolic towards each other.

It's at the rape and death threats in response to women speaking their opinion(4th rule of misogyny) that we draw the line, Cloudy, but thanks for the effort at bothsiderism.

@OldCrone I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying because he's manly looking he wouldn't, as a transgender person, be at risk of being subject to trans phobic abuse?

He's a rapist who was put in a women's prison. How vulnerable do you think he was there? And how vulnerable do you think the women he sexually assaulted there were? And do you realise you've committed literal violence by misgendering this delicate specimen of womanhood?

You honestly remind me of this MRA I spoke to once who, when I was arguing that women were vulnerable to male violence, he described a "6 foot lesbian woman" as some kind of trump card to say that it somehow meant women weren't vulnerable.

There's literally no point supporting something with a twitter post. There are arseholes every colour of the rainbow on Twitter. Of course some people are extreme. There are some extremely toxic feminist and MRA posters on twitter too, it doesn't anyone can or should just all women or all men by those standards.

Is there any point in carrying on this discussion? Bringing up extreme examples of rapsists and twitter crack pots to refute my point that trans women are actual people deserving of sympathy and acceptance too, while also acknowledging that wanting single biological sex spaces is a PERFECTLY VALID expectation just seems like petty point scoring.

None of them have defended her. They've stabbed her in the back.

Also none of them have said anything about transmen either, the people most likely to have periods.

No they have centred Transwomen in something nothing to do with TW.

It’s absolutely outrageous that neither EW or DR have tweeted against the rape threats JKR has received for stating that women have periods.

Cloudy you make literally no sense. An example of a rapist who has identified as a woman and been placed in a woman's prison where he assaulted more women is an obvious example to use to demonstrate the danger of self id, and that predatory males will, well, predate.

The trouble is that those people exist CloudyVanilla. These are the people who are taking refuge under the trans umbrella. These are the ones who are vocally asserting their "rights" against women.
How these holier-than-thou types can see the level of abuse - sexual abuse - this attracts, and still claim that trans activism and ideology is not dangerous to women is beyond me.

I disagree with her, but people are allowed to have different opinions.

@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h it's neither absurdity nor hysteria. These "celebs" occupy a rarified world where they no longer see or mix with any of the grossness the rest of us have to put up with, if they ever did. They don't have the Karen Whites or Jessica Yanivs of the world to deal with & I've no doubt they'd be singing a different tune if they did. It's entirely right & proper to expect, even demand, that they "lead by example" & give up their places & their rights to any passing trans who wants them.

In a few more years no one will remember these has-beens. In a hundred years people will still be reading and enjoying Rowling's books.

She posted this after JKR essay. Classy.
She is getting many challenges on her Mermaids donations. Good.

I do really feel for JK Rowling with Emma w, Daniel R, Eddie Redmayne and Evy all TWAW-ing.

There are arseholes every colour of the rainbow on Twitter

There is a culture of abuse, threats of violence, pile ons, trying to get people cancelled etc by trans activists. The same is not true of feminists, unless you would like to show me examples of Emma Watson receiving the same level of abuse Jk Rowling is from those who disagree with their respective opinions.

I always thought she was a raving idiot anyway.
Emma Watson, if this thread gets pulled by the Daily Fail and you read it, know this...you’re a fucking moron

The fact he was in a womens prison is a miscarriage justice. I have said time and time again that I agree that singlesex spaces and their preservation is a valid concern.

I am saying I feel sad that there is such vitriol towards trans women from some feminists and I do not agree with it. Do you seriously expect me to go against thos beliefs because you bring out as your example of a trans woman is a literal fucking rapist. Do you seriously think that is representative of the trans community? Do you honestly expect me, if you do think that, to not consider that extremely ttransphobic and see it a just another tired example of exactly what I was saying in my very first post on this thread?

So a UN ambassador for women doesn't actually believe in women then?

I think it's fair enough for the actors to disagree with her and think they probably believe what they're saying too, plenty of people do.

I do however think it's tasteless and a bit cowardly to not acknowledge the torrent of abuse JKR has been getting. Surely they understand where she's coming from even if they don't agree with her, especially after her essay today. The trolls on the Internet would say she deserves it for her hate speak but I presume EW etc know she isn't hateful. It would have been the more complicated route to take though and wouldn't have been lapped up so happily.

cloudy same sex spaces is one issue.

I also have another, I was a champion in a certain sport. I worked very hard at that sport as a girl and young woman. Won countless trophies, medals and awards I would never ever have beaten a natal man however now trans-woman of they chose to compete against me. I would have been disadvantaged.

I am concerned about the eradication of female sports. We are seeing trans-woman creeping in to sports like power lifting, cross country running, and cycling. They are understandinbly beating fellow competitors, because they have a natural advantage.

Now getting girls in to sport is tough, we can't make it impossible. Because there's no point in trying if you are never going to win.

So a UN ambassador for women doesn't actually believe in women then?

Correction, a UN ambassador for a Pink Feeling in Your Head and Menstrators.

Cloudy Vanilla, I have zero problem holding 2 thoughts in my head - that women’s rights should not be eroded and that trans people should be safe and respected. I also have zero problem with disagreeing with the argument that the only way to keep trans people safe and respected is to reduce women’s safety and respect. Not at all complicated in my view.

Okay but seriously, it is obtuse in the extreme to post a picture of a literal rapist as your chosen example of a transwoman

It was because you said "As a group trans women are vulnerable in themselves". As a group they are male. They commit sexual and violent crimes as the same rate as other men. And the lovely 'Karen White' is not alone in being a male sexual predator who identifies as a woman. There are more here - over 70 male criminals who say they are women. All in the UK.

"I'm a woman because I feel myself to be one"
"Won't that approach have dangers for women"
"No because I am a nice person, as a transwoman I would not hurt women"
"Well men like this (KW) would, and by dismantling single sex protections you are opening the door to him to walk right through it"
"You're being mean to genuine transwomen"
"You're dismantling safety and dignity for women"
We could go round all night like this Cloudy.

The existence of predatory people is an issue for all people. It is not acceptable to disregard an entire group of people under the guise that a minority of people are predatory just because you personally find that group of people distasteful or whatever.

If you didn't have a problem with trans gender people as a whole then you would acknowledge that and stop piling on what I say, because I've already said that I also agree with JKR. I just don't also hate trans women.

You can be a feminist and support trans women at the same time btw

@cloudyvanilla - They absolutely can dissent but would EW or DR have become stars / (anybody whose tweets would be read) without JKR