Emma Watson no longer believes in women

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Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it.

Oh FFS who's next? Did any of these people actually read that beautiful essay JKR wrote?

Quelle surprise.

She's thick as fucking mince.

You are being ridiculous. No one hates anyone simply by virtue of being trans.

And it’s not predatory ‘people’. Predatory women are vanishingly rare. Don’t you dare try to pretend that predatory behaviour is not a male issue.

You were great in Little Menstruators”

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The existence of predatory people is an issue for all people.
You've left the word "men" out of that sentence somewhere Cloudy. Or do you think we are at a similar risk of violence or abuse from women as from men?

[quote NotBadConsidering]You were great in Little Menstruators”

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Bahahahahaha OMG I just spat my tea.

If you read JK Rowling's full statement today - and also her previous tweets - she's actually very inclusive. She acknowledges trans rights and is clear about the fact she would fight against any discrimination they suffer. She's not this monstrous anti-trans creature that she's being portrayed as.

At the same time as acknowledging and wanting to protect trans folk, JK Rowling is asking not to be spoken over as a woman. To acknowledge that natal women deserve the rights to be protected and recognised. That natal women's rights are just as important as trans rights.

As a society, we haven't gotten this right yet. At the moment, trans folk still feel marginalised and excluded, while natal women feel pushed aside and even worse, are being verbally attacked for expressing the desire to have their rights protected.

As for the HP stars speaking out, they're just gunning for insta-likes and ass pats. Not a shred of nuanced argument among any of their statements. Predictable.

I'll also add cloudy I am perfectly happy for anyone to live as they so wish, as whatever identify they so wish, and they should be safe to do so and protected.

But the above can't happen because girls and women are disadvantaged. It has to happen because they get their own rights and protections and women's rights are ring-fenced and protected also.

It is my belief that:

Women have the right to be safe, women have the right to be on a competitive equal playing field as eachother, women have the right to have their sex characteristics protected, women have the right to equal employment opportunity and pay.

Transexuals have the right to be safe, transexuals have the right to be on a equal competitive playing field as eachother, transexuals have the right to have their gender identity protected, transexuals have the right to equal employment opportunity and pay.

Men have the right to, well be men they have enough privilege. 😂

They can't infringe on one another at the others detriment however. That's the point.

But I agree and acknowledge there should be single sex spaces, no one is listening! You just hear the slightest support for trans women as people and just assume I am a misogynistic idiot who thinks it's not a problem if women in vulnerable situations are exposed further. That's not what I'm saying ffs.

I'm just saying most people who are trans are just living their life. There is a weird entitled group of trans women who obviously feel very strongly about their right to these places, but they don't represent all trans women. So I don't get why I am constantly being told about single sex spaces. I friggin get it, I agree. It doesn't solve any issues for people who are genuinely transgender and trying to live in a world where trans and homophobia is stil very much alive. Why shouldn't people support them.

The comment from JKR I do object to is her, what was it, "wumble, woobmen" or whatever tweet. Because the article did actually reference women and girls, it just also referenced non binary people who menstruate. It was just respectful of biologically female people who aren't comfortable being identified as such. It wasn't erasure, so I actually thought that was quite mean and scathing of her. Had the article just referenced "people who menstruate", I would have been on her side.

You can be a feminist and support trans women at the same time btw

You can also do this and support biology, which is what Ms Rowling has done.

@MaleficentsCrow I totally agree with you

I was actually so disappointed to read this from Emma.

I shouldn't be surprised. They think they're being revolutionary. Like accepting homosexuals when no one else would and being part of the Pride movement.

Except it's nothing like that and just shits all over lesbian homosexuals. And all females.

Don't you "don't you dare me", honestly get over yourselves. I didn't say predatory people to avoid saying MEN. Honestly what is wrong with you.

I don't think you're an idiot Cloudy. I think you're trying hard to be kind, and it is hard to say a firm "no" sometimes. But I want to be free to say a firm no to male bodied people in women's single sex spaces. I can't say that to the unpleasant transwomen without also saying it to the ones that are decent people. And I don't actually want a decent male bodied person changing (etc) beside me either.

The support for mermaids was an absolute two finger salute to jkr.

She should not be a women ambassador to the UN if she cant identify what a women is.

@crumpet I know it's simple because i have said several times that that is exactly where I stand. It seems people on here say that a lot but their actual thoughts do not line up with that.

It doesn't mean he isn't allowed to dissent from her moral or philosophical opinions. He does not owe her a dogmatic following because she launched his career. Nobody owes anybody that.

He didn't comment on what she said though. He apologised for something she didn't say and then mysteriously referenced transwomen, demonstrating that she was right - sex does matter.

I’ll say it again, don’t you dare.

Many men are predatory. Towards women and also toward men.

It is highly obtuse of you at best and completely disingenuous at worst to try to claim that in a discussion like this using the terminology you wilfully chose in that statement was not inflammatory and in fact hugely wrong of you to do.

You get over yourself. And maybe come back and discuss this when you actually understand what you’re talking about and what you’re actually saying.

Cloudy
You lost all credibility when it became clear you didn't recognize Karen White.

And just so you are aware MN will tolerate use of male pronouns for TW if they are convicted sex offenders but the TRA's tend to get quite aggressive about it.

I'm really not sure you understand the issues at all.

Cloudyvanilla, I actually agree with everything you say. But it's annoying to be told to be kinder and more supportive. I'm not sure why, maybe because my whole life is 24/7 supporting others already. Or general annoyance that women have to cloak every piece of opinion in layers of kind consideration or fear backlash. Yeah, JKR was a bit snarky about some wording in an article. So what.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I agree with the single sex space issue. I my original point on the thread was simply that I was sad it caused such vitriol between feminists and trans women, as both groups are subject to male violence and it's sad for me that anyone would feel so hated on when there is already a context of subjugation and violence - and that is relevant again for both groups.

My point was never ever that women should be subject to sharing same sex spaces with male bodied people as a solution to this conflict of interests. Quite the opposite. I was just commenting that it's a hard issue to get over because I read JKRs statement and I completely agree with her, and then I hear the statements from DR and EW and completely agree with them too!

Lang I disagree, I don't think these people owe anything like their careers to JKR. You can't know much about the world of film if you think she handed them the roles and body of work they've achieved. It would have been fine for them to say what you've suggested but on this occasion their sympathies clearly fall with the people they perceive she is alienating and isolating. Which is fine, they don't owe her the support you're suggesting they owe her. Also, if they had done that, they'd be hounded for a more complete statement of their positions. They would have had to give it eventually. At the end of the day, people have to act according to their conscience. What I find bizarre is the way it is apparently right and proper to say absolutely anything about these people for failing to do the decent thing as you have outlined. As if the people here give a toss about the moral niceties you're describing. The name calling and abuse are so much more extreme and abusive than anything these actors are guilty of.

Well, actually, except bathrooms. I've never really understood all that.

I honestly think a 3rd area is needed, but it's not accepted because it's not "inclusive"

So transexual sports. Transexual or non binary changing rooms, or open changing rooms. Mixed gender hostels and refuge. If full transition has occured so presence of outwards female genitalia then yes ok come in to the same sex space, because you now outwardly display as the same sex rather than just the same gender.

Prisons is a difficult one, I suppose they could be housed on VP wings (vulnerable prisoner) rather than main population unitill assignment surgery.

Bit those options are always dismissed as non-inclusive. So you end up banging your head at the wall 🤷🏻‍♀️ it seems like it's sometimes some transwomen are saying "no, I want your spaces, your sports because I am a woman" and then when you try and explain "yes, I completely agree you are a woman, but I have these issues I'd like to discuss" people just start shouting TERF at you.

Sorry @Plumpi I cross posted with you! I know exactly what you mean.

I feel pressure from both sides too. Like ibe always been considered by others to be a "kind" person but now I actually feel more pressure to be less so! I'm in my twenties and as I get closer and closer to thirties I feel more and more unsure of my place in the world as a woman, instead of feeling more self assured as I assumed I would