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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma Watson no longer believes in women

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JGACC · 10/06/2020 23:01

Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it.

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NotAGirl · 11/06/2020 19:13

They are cowards, the tide will turn and I look forward to some grovelling apologies ala Ant &. Dec on racism

Lordfrontpaw · 11/06/2020 19:41

Me too. But then I’m not a very forgiving person.

My mum always fought me never to forget ‘you may forgive but you must never forget’ old MaPaw used to say. Wise woman. She’d be made mincemeat out of these ninnies.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2020 19:42

I think the phrase that once would have been used about Emma Watson is that she's a 'sell out'. And it's something that raises heckles particularly.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 11/06/2020 19:43

the tide will turn

The tide has already turned. It's a groundswell, and these people are too far removed from real life to realise it.

Lordfrontpaw · 11/06/2020 19:51

@ScrimpshawTheSecond

the tide will turn

The tide has already turned. It's a groundswell, and these people are too far removed from real life to realise it.

And people will remember. And if they don’t I will remind them.
WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 11/06/2020 21:05

On social and historical and political issues, my feeling is that it's when people, be they regular people or even academics, are in their 40s, 50s or even older that they start seeing more complex patterns and forces at work, and start having much greater insight into what moves other people and what constrains them, what kinds of unexpected effects can happen. There seems to be a significant leap not only in experience but in the type of complexity people can see.

Spot on. And that is why we should value age/wisdom as much as youth/idealism. Even my most idealistic youthful self could see the sense in maintaining that balance.

PamDenick · 11/06/2020 21:59

Re the age thing...
Before I had children I had bought into the premise that men and women were now equal... and the same...
Then, post part I’m I had never felt so vulnerable... And now that I’m nearly menopausal I am completely more aware (my lived experience) of how, as a woman, my medical and social needs are vary different from those of a man.
I needed pregnancy rights, support in childbirth, space to lactate at work, childcare considerations, access to clean and private loos etc, I’m not even going to mention how my ‘being a woman’ has affected my career prospects or earning potential. I appreciate the rights that have been won for me by women who proceeded me. I appreciate I have very specific health needs as a biological woman.
I am very aware of how women are shut down and marginalised.

Perhaps when these overprivileged indulged actors experience a bit more of real life they will understand how woman feel at the moment...

Pepperwort · 12/06/2020 08:20

I think a lot of people with her background, who have a social conscience at all, have been really impressed with the idea that they need to use their public role for the good of those who are less fortunate.

Perhaps they should start by listening to the practical issues, not jumping on bandwagons that have no relation to material reality.

hoodathunkit · 12/06/2020 14:34

Emma Watson falls into a number of categories that make her vulnerable to having been influenced in the Ways of the Woke

She is a thespian. Acting, theatre and performace art have long been targetted by cults. Method acting in particular.*

She is a yoga teacher

She does mindfulness mediation

She has been in therapy following a break up

She has been on a silent meditation retreat lasting several days

Watson starred in the film The Colony, a film about a real life, disgustingly evil cult. I was quite offended by the film that managed to use the premise of one of the most horrifying cults that ever existed as a platform for a silly and completely incredible narrative about a romantic rescue with Thompson playing the heroine.

*also see circuses, puppetry, community theatre, drama therapy and (biggest red flag of all) clowning - foolery

BlingLoving · 12/06/2020 15:12

@PamDenick I think this is very true. I had a long post earlier but how over time I started seeing things that made me less inclined to just accept this idea of TWAW. And a lot of those realisations were informed by the way my own life was changing and my needs were changing.

I'll never forget asking on day 5 post emergency c-section, if I could have some more painkillers. I'd been given codeine, but only 10mg, and was out and it was a Saturday. The hospital-based community midwife said, "of course" and sent trainee upstairs to the ward to get some for me. Trainee returned with news that I had been given the maximum I could have and if I want more, I need to speak to my GP.

Community midwife stormed out of the room, yelling, "If a man has major abdominal surgery they keep him in hospital for a week, on bed rest for 3 weeks and give him hardcore drugs but a woman after a c-section must look after a newborn and survive on paracetamol!?"

I got the drugs! Grin

This kind of thing, which you see repeatedly as a woman as you get older, have children, have unique medical needs etc, is just ubiquitous and totally informs your thinking. A young, healthy, wealthy, single woman with no children simply doesn't have to engage with these issues. But should if she's going to pontificate.

hypernormal · 12/06/2020 15:19

Hi hoodathunkit

also see circuses, puppetry, community theatre, drama therapy and (biggest red flag of all) clowning - foolery

Do you have any links you could share about the cultish elements of these? I know a few actors, including those who use clowning, and am intrigued.

hypernormal · 12/06/2020 15:21

(...forgot to say 'please', sorry, internet makes me so rude)

merrymouse · 12/06/2020 15:24

Yes - also agree with PamDenick.

And while you are going through all these things its easy to assume that none of it really matters. You'll take maternity leave, but you don't work in a sexist environment - it doesn't really matter! You might have to take some extra time off for childcare, but no one will notice, everyone will know that you are still doing your job! Menopause - that doesn't affect everyone badly - it's all about strength of will!

And then you look back, and cumulatively it did all matter.

I think the other thing is that, particularly now, you realise that you can't take anything for granted.

FliesandPies · 12/06/2020 15:27

YY BlingLoving and PamDenick

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 16:56

the p* news reporting that the red weasel has gone against JK. Thats going to be one hell of a reunion party.

RuffleCrow · 12/06/2020 17:02

Same thing happened to me after c-section @BlingLoving. Sadly i didn't have anyone but me in my corner and had to manage on paracetamol and ibuprofen. The level of pain was such that i couldn't believe i was just supposed to get on with it. With a 9 lb 4 oz newborn and a virus on top of the c-section. Fuckssake. Angry. Not sure if Caroline Criado Perez has covered that one yet.

PamDenick · 12/06/2020 17:49

I’m proud to be a woman.
I am nurturing and caring.
I’d like to say I am accepting of all. I used to go to drag shows as a 20 something. How we laughed.
I spend a lot of time with teenage girls in a professional capacity.
I will not let their rights be eroded.
I will not 20 something women tell me that a human born XY can choose to become XX. Allow them to dress as they like, love who they like, feel whatever they like but they do not physically become the same as me, with the same advantages, disadvantages, health needs and lived experiences.
HOW DARE THEY??? HOW DARE THEY???
And yes, Emma Watson, you may be 30 but I’m making allowances for your immaturity due to your strange upbringing.

BlingLoving · 12/06/2020 17:57

@RuffleCrow I am sorry to hear that.

There are few midwives from either of DCs' birth I'd recognise in the street - it was all such a blur, not because they weren't kind - but that woman will be fixed in my mind eye forever and I won't ever forget her name either. She was brilliant. She was an older midwife, with no children of her own, but I've never felt so looked after and cared for as a woman or experienced that level of empathy for motherhood from anyone even though on the surface we had little in common.

Gotoworkdontgotowork · 12/06/2020 18:01

The tide has already turned.

Against what?
Trans people?
Self ID?
The GRA?

PurpleHoodie · 12/06/2020 18:03

Community midwife stormed out of the room, yelling, "If a man has major abdominal surgery they keep him in hospital for a week, on bed rest for 3 weeks and give him hardcore drugs but a woman after a c-section must look after a newborn and survive on paracetamol!?"

I got the drugs!

Oh Bling She sounds wonderful.

Gotoworkdontgotowork · 12/06/2020 18:05

I’d like to say I am accepting of all. I used to go to drag shows as a 20 something. How we laughed.

Right. So ‘trans people’ are ok so long as you’re having a good laugh at a spectacle.
You crack on luv.

Michelleoftheresistance · 12/06/2020 18:33

Against what?

Against believing that there is no issue for females, and that self ID is a straight forward solution.

Against quietly, secretly removing female rights out of sight of the general public.

For females who have been writing to everyone possible and saying, hang on, this approach really, really won't work for people born female and will return us to exclusion, oppression, remove our equality, remove even our language and legal right to talk about the issues specific to having been born female - this has been kind of a big issue and it's a relief to see the world start to show signs of hearing.

Wouldn't you say if you're interested in equality and social justice that this is a good thing?

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 18:39

@Gotoworkdontgotowork

I’d like to say I am accepting of all. I used to go to drag shows as a 20 something. How we laughed.

Right. So ‘trans people’ are ok so long as you’re having a good laugh at a spectacle.
You crack on luv.

Drag isn’t trans. It’s an act.
Gotoworkdontgotowork · 12/06/2020 18:43

Do you think it’s all an act?

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 18:44

What drag? It is an act. My sister used to perform (drag king). She knows she is a woman and was playing a role.

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