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Daniel Radcliffe responds to J.K Rowling's tweets on gender identity

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EddyF · 09/06/2020 04:40

Daniel Radcliffe responds to JK Rowling’s tweets: “Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people”

Daniel Radcliffe Responds to J.K. Rowling’s Tweets on Gender Identity – The Trevor Project

FULL STATEMENT

I realize that certain press outlets will probably want to paint this as in-fighting between J.K. Rowling and myself, but that is really not what this is about, nor is it what’s important right now. While Jo is unquestionably responsible for the course my life has taken, as someone who has been honored to work with and continues to contribute to The Trevor Project for the last decade, and just as a human being, I feel compelled to say something at this moment.

Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people and goes against all advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I. According to The Trevor Project, 78% of transgender and nonbinary youth reported being the subject of discrimination due to their gender identity. It’s clear that we need to do more to support transgender and nonbinary people, not invalidate their identities, and not cause further harm.

I am still learning how to be a better ally, so if you want to join me in learning more about transgender and nonbinary identities check out The Trevor Project’s Guide to Being an Ally to Transgender and Nonbinary Youth. It’s an introductory educational resource that covers a wide range of topics, including the differences between sex and gender, and shares best practices on how to support transgender and nonbinary people.

To all the people who now feel that their experience of the books has been tarnished or diminished, I am deeply sorry for the pain these comments have caused you. I really hope that you don’t entirely lose what was valuable in these stories to you. If these books taught you that love is the strongest force in the universe, capable of overcoming anything; if they taught you that strength is found in diversity, and that dogmatic ideas of pureness lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a particular character is trans, nonbinary, or gender fluid, or that they are gay or bisexual; if you found anything in these stories that resonated with you and helped you at any time in your life — then that is between you and the book that you read, and it is sacred. And in my opinion nobody can touch that. It means to you what it means to you and I hope that these comments will not taint that too much.

Love always,
Dan

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ChasingTrams · 09/06/2020 04:47

What about erasing the dignity and identity of women, eh Dan? Doesn't that matter?

TehBewilderness · 09/06/2020 04:52

He worked with her on all those films about standing up for want is right and failed at the first test.
TWAW only fools those who don't know the difference between an adjective that modifies a noun, tall woman and Black woman for example, and a compound word which changes the meaning of the noun entirely, Seahorses are not horses, hot dogs are not dogs, trans women are not women.

Chiochan · 09/06/2020 04:53

the dignity and identity of transwomen is of upmost importance!

woman not so much it seems.

hmmm, whats could explain the difference I wonder?...

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 09/06/2020 04:54

Ungrateful little weasel. None of them were particularly talented actors; were it not for the HP films, Mr Radcliffe would probably be teaching Year 9 geography at the local high school.

Cutangle · 09/06/2020 04:54

Can someone explain to me why women become cis women to allow a small minority of transwomen to allow Themselves to be called women? I keep reading but can’t find this simple answer. Is it just that men layeth down the law and we must obey?

langclegflavoredbananamush · 09/06/2020 04:55

This conflation of basic respect for people with transgender or non-binary identities with giving up women’s rights to them is so frustrating.
They always make it sound like anyone who doesn’t want their daughter to have to share showers with males actually wants to prevent trans people from having jobs or getting flats. Actually, who is it trying to keep who from having jobs?

EddyF · 09/06/2020 04:55

I just lost a long text. I cannot be bothered to rewrite it.

I lifted this whole article from Lipstick Alley as I could not link the original site.

Are people deliberately missing the point of Rowling's words just for fun? Nothing sje said is complicated to get it so twisted up. Her words have been misconstrued in the worst way possible.

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Chiochan · 09/06/2020 04:58

Its not about what she has actually said tho, all this is designed to distract from what she has actually said. They dont want anyone thinking about it.
Not Daniel tho, he does not give a shit either way, just covering his ass.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 09/06/2020 05:00

Are people deliberately missing the point of Rowling's words just for fun?

Recreational outrage, innit? Learning a hobby means leaving the house - more fun yelling at women online.

AnyFucker · 09/06/2020 05:00

Ah. Mr Radcliffe's brain fell out. So sad.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 09/06/2020 05:01

At least I don't have to pretend he's anything more than a mediocre actor now. No more misplaced HP fondness for him.

Heygirlheyboy · 09/06/2020 05:04

It's a pity that because he was Harry this will seem to add massive weight to the anti-JK sentiment.

mumwhatnothing · 09/06/2020 05:05

As a man, what right does he have to say who is a woman?

Chiochan · 09/06/2020 05:06

On an entirely unrelated note. Does anyone else here get irritated by physically unattractive actors taking up space on our screens?

I know its wrong but there is a small part of me that, whenever I'm consuming our designated 'entertainment' that includes an actor that's a bit ugly, feels 'as we're forced to watch these narcists faf about, they should at least be good looking'.

Its bad I know.

EddyF · 09/06/2020 05:09

I have not been on mumsnet for a bit as I was getting fed up with AIBU and its obsession with the BLM. I'm from that community (AA) but living in UK. I just got tired of reading ignorant stuff that I did not want to spend free labour edicating people who should know better. But I have always loved Mumsnet and finding this sub section has been a dream. I have learned so much. I genuinely do not understand how we as a society are expected to reprogram our brains to think we can be any sex. Gender, yes, but sex, no. It's illogical to think otherwise.

And my biggest irritation is that to make their point, people on twitter will bring up Black people to compare the 'similarities' to TW issues. No.

I genuinely thought I was alonein my thoughts/confusion in how people mix up sex/gender. Until I discovered 'Gender Critical' on reddit which then led me here.

I do not want TW to come to harm. I do not care a dot how people live. My frustrations come from the silencing of women AND the mix up of sex and gender. I believe people DO understand but are deliberately misunderstanding. What other explanation can there be?

JK's words have been misconstrued so much it hurts my head. Plain English was used. The uproar is sinister.

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EddyF · 09/06/2020 05:11

Educating (spl)

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DisobedientHamster · 09/06/2020 05:13

Transwomen are transwomen, Mr Radcliffe, lost among your own privilege, which in part was given to you by Ms Rowling. Pain? Young girls are being married off and murdered by virtue of their sex, their very biology, which makes them capable of alchemating a male person of their female body or dying in the process. You have completely missed the point and have not even the excuse of youth for doing so, for you are not young, yet you adjunct their pain onto the plight of males again denying that very biology which has lead to the great oppression of the opposite sex.

But kudos to you for nailing your colours to the mast, they use the yards to oppress the rest of us. You sail on that ship, that is good to know.

OUR dignity, our rights, our freedom to speak are not yours to give away, Mr Radcliffe.

You feel compelled, well, so does she!

And so do WE! NOT 'cis', not 'non-binary', WOMEN. NO 'Y', not a guy.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 09/06/2020 05:14

Nails it.

Daniel Radcliffe responds to J.K Rowling's tweets on gender identity
Chicchicchicchiclana · 09/06/2020 05:15

Disappointing. But the unpleasant comments about DR's looks, talent and career don't add anything to this argument.

There are millions of good people who say TWAW (some may not actually believe it on closer inspection, when really pinned down) I can't dislike them all even though, of course, I disagree.

EddyF · 09/06/2020 05:17

And I don't think Daniel missed JK's point. He saw a PR opportunity and went for it. He's getting congratulated on twitter like it's a new day (well it is a new day but still!). Imagine being backstabbed like this by a person you gave an amazing platform. It is so DELIBERATE. It is deliberate because I cannot get my head around the fact so many people have completely misunderstood her words. There was no jargon. There was no ambiguous language used. There was NOTHING to indicate she was being hostile.

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Chiochan · 09/06/2020 05:19

Very well said Eddy.
I hate it that people use black people to justify oppressing women, its unbelievably offensive and racist.

EddyF · 09/06/2020 05:24

I was asleep for a long while on what is happening to women and their voices until I was called a CIS woman. I had to google that nonesense. I cannot stand that word. Woman/women is fine.

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DisobedientHamster · 09/06/2020 05:34

It's really something, isn't it, women's suffrage movement, women's unions, Sojourner Truth, the emancipated slave gave her speech 'Ain't I a Woman?' at a women's convention in 1851, maternity rights, financial rights for women to even have a bank account in her own name, no fault divorce, rights of women to hold property, marital rape recognised as a crime, reproductive rights. But it was always just a matter of ideology? We were just making this all up! All we had to do was say we are men! Voila, now we get to do everything men do, be in all their spaces, compete against them in sport, automatic equal pay . . . oh, wait . . .

DisobedientHamster · 09/06/2020 05:37

I hate it that people use black people to justify oppressing women, its unbelievably offensive and racist.

Just so! Fucking unbelievable privilege. How fucking DARE he. And still clinging on to stories that aren't even his! He didn't even make them up, a WOMAN did.

Focusanddetermination · 09/06/2020 05:38

So patronising, younger man telling older woman we can 'do better'. She must be livid reading that.