British teenager convicted of making up gang rape claims in Cyprus speaks about ordeal in her first TV interview tonight

[stumbledin]

Believe Me: The Cyprus Rape Case is broadcast on Tuesday 14 April at 10.45pm on ITV

www.itv.com/news/2020-04-14/british-teenager-convicted-of-making-up-gang-rape-claims-in-cyprus-speaks-about-ordeal-in-her-first-tv-interview/

but if one did exist it would explain why she was convicted

Did the judge mention it?

A work colleague of mine claims to have seen it via WhatsApp.

Why don't they just show you?

Datun I wouldn't want to see it.

I thought that had been debunked Homestayer and the video released was consent with one (the guy she was seeing) the police use this excuse for her supposed retraction.

I wouldn't want to see it.

So you just take their word for it? And then repeat it, without wanting to make sure?

This case has gone global home. With severe repercussions, not least to the reputation of Cyprus and their entire tourist industry.

Do you really think a video clearing up the entire case wouldn't be accessible online? Even your mate's seen it.

I haven't just taken their word for it.

I thought this whole case was very odd before they even mentioned it to me.

As previously stated, it's such a clear case of a miscarriage of justice, unless there is more going on than can be reported.

Having been in a few courts in my life (not as a defendant!) I have seen before how something can be reported very differently from what actually takes place in the court room.

I've seen a video allegedly of her (does look like her). It was hosted on some porn site. In it she is having consensual sex with one man. She is on top of him and some other boys are filming her behind her back, giggling silently. It looks very much to me like she did not know or consent to being filmed as they are trying to do it surreptitiously.

But that's the whole point. We know the men recorded it.

We also know she suffered internal injuries serious enough to require medical treatment.

On the one hand I'm struggling to accept that a woman in that much pain would enthusiastically consent to group sex, but on the other knowing some of the stuff people get off to on the likes of Pornhub etc. I can unfortunately believe there are people who would still happily watch a woman being gang raped and convince themselves it is staged and consensual sex, but then we're getting into a whole new debate.

And it took me so long to type that, we've moved on completely! findumdum that makes much more sense to me. Also makes me believe this isn't something that 'just happened' they planned to do this to her.

We know there is a video. We know it was uploaded. And we know it's expressly does not show that she consented to group sex.

So unless there's another one, which everyone in court knew about, but somehow has not managed to end up in the public domain? Despite the fact that it would exonerate all the men?

Women from Israel were flying to Cyprus to support this woman. Women from the country, where apparently it's common knowledge, with video proof, that the woman consented?

@Homestayer Did you actually watch the documentary? I struggle to see how anyone could watch the interviews with the girl and her friends and not believe thst she was raped.

She's been through a horrific experience and this must be compounded, firstly by the way that she was treated by the criminal justice system over there and then by the knowledge that there are people like you doubting what she says on the basis of supposition and rumour.

If you have watched the documentary then you are very heartless. If you have not watched it, then you should be ashamed of yourself for spreading malicious gossip.

Datun do we know that the video expressly shows she didnt consent?

I could use your own argument against you. If it does show that, why isnt it being used by the girl and her family to prove she is innocent?

It's all very suspicious. A video clearly exists, it will either show one version of events or another, or at least call into question someone's story, yet nobody seems to be using it.

That says to me there is more going on here.

As for the documentary, very emotive but very light on non anecdotal evidence. Also found it strange that the first doctor who examined her found no evidence, it was only when a second a doctor (paid for by the family) became involved that suddenly she was battered and bruised.

V odd.

Imo the video clearly supports her statement that she was in a new relationship with ONE guy.
It was obviously shot without her knowledge and the fact that it exists and the video showing the men gatecrashing and her telling them to leave shows the men's intent.
Nothing she said is contracted by the videos.

Datun do we know that the video expressly shows she didnt consent?

Yes. Consent isn't ambiguous.

*contradicted

It's all very suspicious. A video clearly exists, it will either show one version of events or another, or at least call into question someone's story, yet nobody seems to be using it.

Because it was a video of her, taken from behind, having sex with one man. That's all it shows. It does not show consent for sex with all his mates.

Datun how do you know what the video shows? Have you seen it?

That's not what has been claimed, someone on this thread says it shows her having sex with people off camera hiding and giggling. Clear evidence she didnt know other people were there. Why isnt she using it as evidence to support her case?

The person I know who says they have seen it say it shows her being 'active' shall we say with several men.

Either way, it supports someone's case, yet no one is using it.

Like I said, very odd.

Either way, it supports someone's case, yet no one is using it.

Plenty of people have seen it. It's been uploaded to a porn site. Which in this country is a crime.

You said "a video apparently exists of her enthusiastically consenting to the group sex with the men in question."

But you're backing it up with fuck all.

I've not seen any of these videos.

So you have seen one that shows her not consenting? Why the hell isn't she using it as evidence then?!

Are you saying that isn't weird?

Is there possibly more than one video?

As in 1 video of her with one guy, then a later video showing 'more going on' if you know what I mean.

That would explain a lot and possibly be the reason why she doesnt want to introduce videos into her defence, as then all of them would have to be viewed.

I don't for a second believe that video showing her happily having group sex exists it would have been used as evidence. If your friend got it on WhatsApp I think the boys lawyers would have got hold of it easily. I believe she was secretly filmed having consensual sex with one like she has said. I believe every word that girl says and after watching the interview I don't know how anyone with a heart wouldnt

I've not seen any of these videos.

So you don't know what you're talking about?

That's exactly my point Tonz a video backs up one of their version of events, yet regardless of what it shows, nobody is using it.

If it shows consenting sex with one man only, with his mates giggling and trying not to be seen, then they are clearly committing a crime and it's literal insanity that she isnt using it to clear her name.

That's what I mean by the whole thing being odd.

She knows the video exists because she saw it being recorded on a phone when she told them to leave. I don't think she's even seen it as it wasn't her phone it was recorded on maybe her lawyers have tried to find it but can't. That's why I don't believe there's any video going around WhatsApp