Zoe Williams opinion piece in The Guardian

[Justhadathought]

Feminist solidarity empowers everyone. The movement must be trans-inclusive: www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/10/feminist-solidarity-empowers-everyone-the-movement-must-be-trans-inclusive

Needless to say, she misses every single point.......And no, feminism has always been about centring the needs of women and girls.......

[Thinkingabout1t]

Which “rights” do trans women need which they do not currently have? Nobody on the other side ever seems to have a sensible answer to this straightforward question, from which we can only hazard that the “right” transwomen want is more correctly defined as a sense of entitlement to have women validate their gender identity as indistinguishable from females’ sexed reality. Women are entitled to say an unequivocal ‘no’ to this. If we are not entitled to our ‘no,’ can libfems please explain how this squares with the importance they place on consent in other aspects of male-female relations?”

Well put. We need to keep asking this question of TWAW-believers who call themselves feminists.

[Thinkingabout1t]

If we are not entitled to our ‘no,’ can libfems please explain how this squares with the importance they place on consent in other aspects of male-female relations?"

That is the question I meant to highlight.

[Thinkingabout1t]

I've read it a couple of times and I still have no idea what she's trying to say. And not because she likes to chuck in words like "ossifying" and "emollient" as the densely sapid walnuts among the shimmering evanescent word salad. (ooh look, I did a Zoe!).