Moral Maze - Radio 4 8pm 19 Feb - Transgender Rights

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Transgender Rights is the topic of tonight’s episode.

Woman’s Place have tweeted that they are taking part and that the Labour pledge (and slurs against WPUK and LGB Alliance) will be discussed.

twitter.com/womans_place_uk/status/1229901138192891904?s=21

The panel who will debate are Michael Portillo, Mona Siddiqui, Anne McElvoy and Rachel Mann.

I haven't been this excited in quite a long time

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‘Witnesses’ interviewed by the panel will be Jane Fae, Graham Linehan, Torr Robinson and Kiri Tunks

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000fgsp

Rachel Mann (born 1970) is a British Anglican priest, poet and feminist theologian. She is a trans woman who writes, speaks and broadcasts on a wide range of...

What with Mona Siddiqui, expect a great deal of stunning and brave and most oppressed ever.

Just because someone is trans*, doesn’t mean the wholesale agree with the purity spiral that has become trans rights activism. I don’t know this person at all, but will be open minded about their starting point.

What’s the male/female balance here in terms of sex? I think 50/50 on the panel (1 TW, 1 man & 2 women) and 75/25 with the witnesses (2 TW, 1 man & 1 woman)? Replacing one of the 3 male witnesses with a transman would have given a better balance. It would have been nice to see detransitioners represented too.

What a pity they’ve only got one woman witness.

Wish there was a detransitioner on there. If you're going to have trans people in and a full debate then leaving detransitioners off makes a gaping hole in the discussion.

What a pity they’ve only got one woman witness.

Is Siddiqui trans? McElvoy is female.

Michael Portillo seems like a very random choice

Is this pre recorded already?

Sorry, I misunderstood. 3 of the 4 witnesses are male. The panel is something different.

Michael Portillo seems like a very random choice

He's a regular panellist on the MM, as are (I think) the other panellists. So, they're not chosen for their expertise on the particular topic, but their ability to ask good questions.

Yes, shame there's no detransitioner.

Yes the format is - dilemma/topic of debate is introduced by Michael Burke; the panel interview 4 witnesses (they say ‘giving evidence’ on the show) and then discussion ensues.

They have done previous shows on topics around gender, sex and trans ideology etc.

I think this was the one that Heather Brunskell Evans was a witness on that lead to the debacle in the Woman’s Equality Party
The Moral Maze: Defining Gender

Other recent on policing humour, academic freedom and ‘tolerance of intolerance’ are all interesting and relevant too. It’s a great show in general, always very interesting.

This should be really interesting. They are usually very robust in their questioning.

That's a good panel with no Melanieflips or Giles the Mad Vicar.

Sorry, I misunderstood. 3 of the 4 witnesses are male.

Torr Robinson (chair & founder member of Labour campaign for trans rights) identifies as non-binary?

twitter.com/Torr_ro/status/1172553833354006528/video/1

11/2/2020 Robinson's extended article published by Tribune about the demands that are being made by this group of campaigners & their 'roadmap to liberation' really must be read!

tribunemag.co.uk/2020/02/the-labour-campaign-for-trans-rights

In February 2018 Torr Robinson was elected Disabilities Officer of London Young Labour on a Momentum slate.

Labour List article
'Momentum activists take control of London Young Labour'
Momentum-backed candidates swept the board at London Young Labour’s annual general meeting. (continues)
labourlist.org/2018/02/momentum-activists-take-control-of-london-young-labour/

On a totally unrelated note, has anyone noticed how these days twitter is full of white middle class young men who enjoy lecturing into the void about how they, the men, are totes the most oppressed of all people. Also, older women must obey them or be declared mean mummy issues

Oh apologies, I couldn’t find any info about who Torr was, their link on London Young Labour site (as disability officer) is to the twitter handle @scumscape which just has a ‘tweets not loading’ screen for me. Anyone know what them’s sex is?

I’m a little fearful for they, to be honest, if they’re female and down the non-binary rabbit hole, taking on all this national attention so young.

Yep @torktorkbam that is indeed completely unrelated and in no way driving the trans bandwagon

I think they had Sharon Davis on Moral Maze before. They were awful. Sharon patiently pulled the arguments apart. I expect a lot of appeals to be kind and tolerant, false statistics and claims that nothing will change.

I have seen Torr on twitter. Torr won't need to go for a smear test or a mammogram.